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Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Also on the matter of pensions, I call Deputy Brady.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Is Deputy Brady still discussing pensions?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Does the Minister wish to comment?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: I note the Minister's intentions and expectations in budget 2018 with regard to the bereavement grant and the telephone allowance. I hope he is in a position to deliver. The second item is from the financial scrutiny team's briefing, on working age and income supports. I call Deputy O'Dea.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Next we will have Deputy Brady and then Deputy Joan Collins.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Deputy, I want to give the Minister a chance to respond.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Do not provoke him.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: No, colleagues -----

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Very briefly, because we have a substantial number of other things here, so get directly to the point, Deputy Brady.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Thank you Deputy. Does the Minister wish to respond?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: We need to move on. Our agenda is substantial. The next item is working age employment supports. I will take the next two Deputies together, we need to move through these.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: Does Deputy Brady wish to comment briefly on this point because we need to move through them?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: We will give him a chance to answer. We have to move on. When the Minister answers the question about CE, he might give us the current number of participants compared with those of last year and the year before. From looking at the figures, I understand there was a reduction in the outcome versus the projected figure for the year, because of the uptake of CEs. The figure for...

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: In recognition of the diminishing amount of time we have left, we will take together the remaining sections, relating to illness, disability, carers, children and then the supplementary items.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: I call Deputy Brady and ask him to follow Deputy O'Dea's lead.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: The Deputy has made the point.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: The Deputy has put the question. The Minister needs to have an opportunity to speak. I want him to address the figures specifically. I call Deputy Kenny on the same point.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: The Deputy has made his point. We need to finish up on this.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: The matter can be dealt with separately as appeals, if necessary.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Revised)
(18 May 2017)

John Curran: In regard to the point made by Deputy Gino Kenny, one will have an opportunity to debate it when the legislation comes to this committee because it requires legislation. Time is running but I wish to raise the following point. The Minister talked about control and anti-fraud activity, saving €500 million and the methodology used. The latter is not transparent. I know how the sum...

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