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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Apart from that, what is the amount of capital funding and revenue funding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: So the Department holds no cash balance for capital funding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: If I might refer to the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, what is PMG?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The amount in that account increased from €29.6 million at the end of 2010 to €61.7 million at the end of 2011. Is that Paymaster General?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: No, at the Department of Education and Skills. I want to get an idea of the level of cash and bank balances that Departments would have at any one time. There must be money in the bank accounts for capital funding and revenue funding. Does the fact that the PMG bank balance increased from €30 million to €62 million between 2010 and 2011 ring a bell?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Any payment the Department has would be on deposit with the Central Bank. I am looking at the interest-earning capacity of that money when it is not being used.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: How many people have yet to receive their third level grants from SUSI?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Out of what total number of applications?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I would like a breakdown of the total number who applied, the number who were refused, the number who were approved and the number that are yet to be processed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: So 14,607 applications remain?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: To recap, of the 14,216 applications that are outstanding 6,849 applicants have not responded. Some 4,176 applicants have made a return with incomplete information and 3,181 have returned supplementary documentation to be considered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: So that leaves 7,357 applications and 391 applications, as the numbers in process and 2,164 applications have been awarded a grant but have yet to be paid. Some 391 grants are in the process of being awarded, 4,176 have returned incomplete information and 3,181 have not responded to requests for supplementary information. In total that comes to 9,912, which is just short of 10,000 which is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: SUSI has been most unsatisfactory. In many cases one cannot talk to a person on the phone; one person can give one reason and another person will give other information. One is chasing for information and one is invariably trying to find a person who is good at the job. I have no doubt that my colleagues have had to do the same. What budget was given to the City of Dublin VEC to do this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I want to know whether the City of Dublin VEC tendered for the work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What was the value of the tender?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Clearly the amount of money is significant. Could Mr. Ó Foghlú give a range of the costs involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the number of staff?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The figure is 69 in total?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: To process the grant applications of 69,000 students, that is approximately 1,000 applications per person. Was a process of due diligence completed by the Department in order to establish whether the process put in place was fit for purpose? I regard education as one of the greatest services that a Government can provide. It is the gateway to a myriad of opportunity from primary, to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The problem is that we have abstract discussions on education. This is about students who are worried about having enough money to keep going during their Christmas exams? Their parents are in the same position. The one thing the State can provide is a gateway. That is what we want for our population. We want people to upskill, but we cannot put impediments in their way. I am not in any...

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