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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I know that the figure has gone up.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I welcome everyone back after lunch. I hope we will be in better form after the break. The Mater campus write-off of €40 million seems like a lot of money. What did that €40 million entail?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I know that but why would it be €40 million? It seems like a lot of money and never a sod was turned.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: It seems like an awful lot of money and more waste to spend €40 million before coming to another site eventually. That is political I suppose. It was political wrangling that did that. I start again on the external review which I believe is an independent review. It is sitting at the moment. Who set it up and what is its remit?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: They are professional people who will complete it.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: They will look at the costs to date and over the project as laid out. They will analyse the whole lot and come back. If they find anything wrong, are critical or make recommendations, what standing will that have with the witnesses as the project goes forward? If they say a lot of mistakes were made or identify a waste of money or resources, what power will they have in their...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: How long will it take for the review to report back to us? When will we have the review?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: If there are changes to be made or recommendations, they will be taken on board and that will be carried then.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: At least we will know what is going on.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I refer to reports in the newspapers and elsewhere that this is the dearest paediatric hospital ever built globally. Is that true? Is this the dearest hospital ever built in the world? The world is a big place and we are a small dot on the globe.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: It is not the most expensive hospital ever built.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: We are coming within the average. Another cost being reported in the newspapers is that per bed. It has been stated that, ultimately, we will only have so many beds, the equivalent of what we have now. A figure of €4 million per bed has been quoted. Ordinary people reading about that cost in the newspapers will not believe it. Will our guests comment on that matter?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: The point is about a quick daily turnover.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: It is not fair then to make comparisons about costs per bed.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: What roles will the two ancillary facilities at Connolly and Tallaght hospitals play? Will they complement the new hospital? Will they be step-down facilities for St. James’s?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Will staff be moved from St. James’s?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Will there be procedures and operations carried out in these two ancillary centres?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Will they all be performed in St. James’s?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: There is €10 billion earmarked for health capital projects over the next ten years. The Department will take €50 million out of the capital programme for the children’s hospital. What will the figure be next year and the year after as the project rolls out?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: We only know that €50 million will be taken out this year.

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