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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: I wish to ask about leasing. I am talking about lease-to-lease arrangements, not lease-to-buy. It is the most expensive approach by far. There is nothing to show for it in the end. It is certainly not value for money. How much of that budget is spent on lease-to-lease arrangements, as opposed to lease-to-buy arrangements? What happens to the families when the lease expires?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: I asked for figures and percentages on that yesterday and they were not forthcoming.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: Generally speaking, when a lease-to-lease arrangement expires after a long period the family is back where they started. They have no guaranteed place to go. I could cite numerous incidents proving this. They are certainly not housed. The State has paid the lease for 25 years and has nothing to show for it. The family that was in the property has nothing to show for it. The cycle...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: That is the point. Lease-to-lease arrangements are not delivering. They deliver housing temporarily, but the family and the State both get nothing at the end. I await the figures for lease-to-lease arrangements.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: It is a ludicrous waste of public money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: I would like to have them now, because I have another meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: Is that the figure for lease-to-lease arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: I asked for the cost of lease-to-lease arrangements.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: I would like the figure for last year, the expected figure for this year and the figure to date.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: On the figures, I had asked if we could have the yearly figure for lease-to-lease and lease-to-buy and then the overall figure spent to date.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: That was for lease-to-lease and-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: That would be lease-to-lease, obviously.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: The lease-to-lease where the purchaser-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: At the end, yes. A total of €39.5 million was spent.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: Okay. Does Ms Ryan have what was spent overall to date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: Okay. What was spent on housing assistance payment, HAP?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: For last year. Has Ms Ryan the spend to date figures as well?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: Why does Ms Ryan not have the spend to date figures with her when she has had notice of the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: The officials do not have the figures to date I am asking for.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Imelda Munster: Okay. What is it to date for HAP?

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