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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I do not have that detail and I cannot give it because, clearly, every witness who will be called will be entitled, in full transparency and cross-examination, to have legal representation right along the line. When Mr. Justice Charleton starts his work it will become obvious as to the range and number of persons who will be called to give evidence and be cross-examined at the tribunal. I...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It is possible to estimate it but I assume there might be an opportunity to have some approximate estimate of what it might cost in 2017. When the sole member takes up duty - I think the tribunal will probably be held in Dublin Castle - he might be able to give a position as to what he might expect the overall costs to be for 2017, but it is impossible to put an accurate figure on it.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Deputy Pearse Doherty raised this the other day in the Dáil, and rightly so. I have asked for a report on it, particularly regarding the areas of cost saving he mentioned. His is a very valid point, given the fact that there is very little restraint on full, open public inquiries and the costs that arise in respect of them. There was the question of a permanent inspectorate for public...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Until the end of 2016, the Fennelly commission spent €3.03 million. The IBRC commission of investigation was originally requested to investigate certain transactions. Mr. Justice Cregan submitted an interim report in November 2015. The result of the issues raised was bespoke legislation and a timeframe of the end of 2017. The IBRC commission has cost €1.516 million to the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: This will have to be dealt with when the Committee of Public Accounts report comes out and the Government finally signs off on the terms of reference for the commission of investigation. The €10 million will be for time forward. There is €4.763 million allocated in the Vote for the Fennelly and IBRC commissions of investigation for 2017. We will have to deal with that matter...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I will have to find the information for Deputy Doherty. I do not have it here. The commission of investigation into NAMA has not been set up yet. It is one of a number of commissions of investigation.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It is not.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: We will have to deal with this when the final terms of reference are approved by Government.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It is a commission of investigation. It is not confirmed in the Estimates whether it will continue to be in Vote subhead A5, which concerns commissions of investigation and which is where one would expect it to be. I confirm this to the Deputy and the position regarding the estimate of €10 million to cover the investigation into NAMA.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I do not accept that. I have an agreement with the British Prime Minister that there would be no return to the borders of the past, that is, customs posts along the Border. I have seen the reports from customs consultants and those who work in customs in different locations around the world discussing how one might deal with the borders. We have an invisible Border, as the Deputy well...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: In answer to the Deputy's question, I did not know the Revenue Commissioners were looking at these places. As far as I am concerned, the political challenge is not to have that happen.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: This is a good idea, and I am certainly open to it. A number of matters about it would need to be considered. It was considered by the Law Reform Commission back in 2005 in its report on public inquiries, including tribunals of inquiry. The report pointed out a number of advantages of a permanent inquiries office such as that suggested by Deputy D'Arcy including that over time, its staff...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I would not object to that. Obviously, when people feel aggrieved about an issue, and there are mountains of correspondence about some of these issues dating back to 30 or 40 years ago, and if after a long protracted engagement either a commission of investigation or an inquiry is set up, it may lead to people saying: "If I am to follow this through to the end I need to follow a particular...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: There are 31 staff assigned to the division in the Department of the Taoiseach.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: There were movements. The European affairs division used to be in the Department of the Taoiseach. After we held the EU Presidency in 2013 some changes were made to move some of those personnel back to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, where there is an EU division again. It has recruited a small number of select staff from outside. There are 31 in the division now. Work on...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Enterprise Ireland has examined all of the companies that are exporting. Obviously, we have lost €500 million in value terms because of the change in sterling. There are a number of options. For example, the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine introduced a long-term, low interest loan for agri-business. The Government's preparation has been extensive. It includes...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The original idea was to give an understanding of where the flag came from, what it stands for, the difference between the orange and the green and what the colours symbolise. Defence Forces personnel presented a proper flag to every school, all 3,500 of them. Many of the flags the Deputy mentioned are outside commercial premises and are left up day and night. There is obviously a protocol...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The north inner city in Dublin is a very historic area with particular landmarks. It is fundamentally iconic and has an historic part to play in Dublin. Unfortunately, it has been a location of multiple murders by gangland crime. As a consequence, the drugs issue, the deprivation issue, the neglect issue, the mental health issue and the complex issue of proper educational facilities have...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The original commission of investigation was to deal with two particular protected disclosures. There were some discussions yesterday as people had raised other particular cases. It has been agreed that a named number of those will be included in these terms of reference.

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