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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I welcome this opportunity to appear before the Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach. The committee has a copy of my statement, which covers Votes 1 - 6, inclusive: President’s Establishment; Department of the Taoiseach; Office of the Attorney General; Central Statistics Office; Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions; and Office of the Chief...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Lorcan Fullam was a very fine individual. I attended many meetings with him in Brussels. He had a detailed knowledge of his brief and was a first class public servant. I will call on his wife when I can. The Secretary General is absent from today's meeting for that reason. Vote 1 is the 2017 Revised Estimate for the President’s Establishment is €3.9 million. It includes...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: No.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I will give the context in which this is happening. The Moriarty tribunal into certain payments to politicians and related matters, established in 1997, concluded at a cost of €54.742 million. The Smithwick inquiry was a tribunal of inquiry established in 2006. That was to deal with the fatal shooting of Chief Superintendent Harry Breen and Superintendent Robert Buchanan of the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Practically. The Cabinet this morning approved the terms of reference for the tribunal of inquiry into the McCabe case. Mr. Justice Charleton has said that he will deal with that. One amendment was made to the terms of reference as discussed, and that was to allow for the appearance of any individuals that the judge may think appropriate or relevant. That would arise because a number of...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: No, because one is liable for legal challenges all the way along in the courts. A breakdown of expenditure between legal fees, administrative costs and third-party costs is as follows. Legal fees are €35.58 million, administration is €9.764 million, third-party costs are €6.848 million and other legal payments are €2.55 million. The tribunal is currently dealing...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Yes, Mr. Justice Peter Charleton of the Supreme Court.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: There has been a vacancy for quite some time in the Supreme Court that the Chief Justice did not recommend be filled because with the new Court of Appeal, a great deal of the work that would normally go to the Supreme Court, which had backed up, is now taken in the Court of Appeal. The President, Mr. Justice Kelly, has divided it up into sections and it is very efficient. Mr. Justice...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I have met a number of county registrars who have been dealing with these matters. Given the scale and the range of mortgages which have been in distress for quite some time, we are getting to the point where a judge is going to or is not going to make a recommendation for repossession. Many repossessions have been voluntary. The Money Advice & Budgeting Service, MABS, organisation...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: We are very conscious of this. There are more trade missions lined up for this year than ever before because we are going to have to sell into new markets or increase the scope of what we do in existing markets. Japan is open for specialist custom in the beef sector, and China and America. We can still do much more in the Nordic countries and in some of the eurozone countries. For...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The concept was right in the beginning in that there are opportunities for small numbers of jobs to come to Ireland which might never appear on the IDA radar. There might be five or ten or 20 jobs, and they are as important as where there are hundreds coming in. With respect to that sector, it is a matter of finding a way that such jobs could be notified by people who live abroad, by those...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I will have that followed up for the Chairman. I know the route down in his part of the country.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: No. It is because a number of cases were raised that people felt should be included in the terms of the reference. The Deputy will appreciate that the two main principal law officers in this State were the subject of protected disclosures, but other cases have been raised. On discussing those, we were able to expand the terms of reference but it might be necessary - I cannot confirm this...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I do not speak for the sole member but he has committed completely to dealing with the tribunal of inquiry, and that means right through, and obviously he is in sole command of it once he is appointed.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Yes, for expected third party legal costs incurred by the tribunal.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I think I have that information for the Deputy. The sole member has indicated that the majority of applications for third party costs have now been considered by him and that only a very limited number of applications remain which are still being considered. I do not have that number but I will get it for the Deputy. The tribunal determines only entitlement to costs, not the costs themselves.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Yes. At the end of 2016 a total of 60 bills of costs were settled.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: We will have to make arrangements with the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform in respect of how that is to be set out for 2017. The costs are going to reported - somebody has just been approved this morning at 7.30 a.m.

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