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Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Therefore, we have agreed, I understand, that the spokespersons on justice for the different parties will get together with the Minister for Justice and Equality to draft these terms of reference and nominate a chairperson to conduct the proceedings and determine the question that needs to be answered. The answer to that question is in everyone's interest.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I can help the Deputy. The Minister met privately with the McCabes but she had personnel with her from her Department.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Hold on. The Secretary General of the Department-----

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The Minister, who is doing a very good job by the way, was quite entitled to meet privately with Sergeant McCabe and his wife and to have a note taker there to have an account of the meeting.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The Secretary General of the Department of Children and Youth Affairs sent a copy of the note taken at the meeting to the Secretary General of my Department.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: In respect of knowing-----

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It is a little bit far fetched for Deputy Ó Caoláin-----

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It is a little bit far fetched for Deputy Ó Caoláin to accuse me or anyone else over here of buying into a smear campaign against Sergeant McCabe.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I became aware of it the same as most of the rest of the nation, which was after the "Prime Time" programme. For Deputy Ó Caoláin to suggest that someone deliberately bought into a smear campaign is certainly not the way Deputy Ó Caoláin normally conducts his business.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It was after the "Prime Time" programme.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: In reply to Deputy Pearse Doherty's question, the judge in question would have had contact with all the persons involved in this. Clearly, the terms of reference, as drafted by the judge, would have covered all the issues that are relevant. It has been confirmed by the judge appointed to look after the commission of investigation that all the issues that were seen on the "Prime Time"...

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I am saying that Mr. Justice O'Neill obviously had contact with all the principals involved here and would have covered in his terms of reference all the issues that were raised, including the agency, Tusla. This was confirmed afterwards by Mr. Justice Charleton who stated the terms of reference included all the issues that he saw on the "Prime Time" programme on Thursday.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: As I have already stated, Mr. Justice O'Neill had contact with all the people involved in the two protected disclosures. He was not in a position to determine the truth and so he advised the establishment of a commission of investigation in respect of which he set out the terms of reference. Is the Deputy suggesting that an eminent judge would examine two protected disclosures and draft...

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: -----allegations of a sexual nature that were given to Tusla.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The terms of reference cover Tusla. The Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality said she would broaden them explicitly to cover that later on but the justice was happy that was the case.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Tusla deals with matters of sexual abuse in so far as children are concerned. Mr. Justice Iarfhlaith O'Neill examined two protected disclosures, the contents of which I did not see or have knowledge of. He had contact with everybody involved and he then drafted terms of reference that were broad enough to include Tusla. Separate from that-----

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: -----the Supreme Court judge who was appointed to head up the commission of investigation said that the terms of reference as drafted by Mr. Justice O'Neill were broad enough to cover all the issues that were raised on the "Prime Time" programme on the Thursday night.

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I think it is obvious that the entire country feels sympathy because of the pressure and distress experienced by the McCabe family. Did Deputy McGuinness have a meeting with the former Garda Commissioner and did he hear information relevant to a smear campaign against Sergeant McCabe? If he did, what did he do about it?

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I referred before to the meeting of the Minister, Deputy Zappone, with Sergeant McCabe, and that was a meeting that was held as a private meeting, but the Minister had officials with her, an account was taken of that meeting and an account of that is available and was sent by the Secretary General of the Department of Children and Youth Affairs to my own Secretary General last evening....

Clarification of Statements made by the Taoiseach and Ministers: Statements (Resumed) (14 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: That is the status of the meeting.

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