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Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: I suggest that we suspend proceedings for 20 minutes in order that members might attend the division currently being taken in the Dáil.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: Amendments Nos. 36 and 37 have been ruled out of order on the basis that they would give rise to a potential charge on the Exchequer.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: I ask the Deputy to temper his language. "Captive" is a provocative word and one I would not use. I ask the Deputy to reconsider his use of it. There are other words that might explain the point he is trying to make.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: We are having an extensive discussion on this and there are considerations-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: We can quantify them at the end. There are also significant amendments tabled by the Minister of State, on foot of the process heretofore, to be considered. There are significant amendments in the name of the Minister already tabled on foot of discussions heretofore.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: Yes, and there have been hearings.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: Are they not processes in the Deputy's mind?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: I do not know why the Deputy asked the question then. I call Deputy Pringle.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: I have called Deputy Pringle.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: I call the Minister of State to reply.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: Okay, the Deputy can make it.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: I wish to clarify with the Deputy whether permissions to grow trees are granted on foot of planning permission or approval. Is the process covered by a formal planning permission? I thought it was covered by the section 28 provision.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: The question was asked. Is such permission granted on foot of planning permission? I need clarification on what the Deputy means by planning permission in the context of his question.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: An approved-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: -----plantation as opposed to one for which there was planning permission. To qualify the position, planning permission is not relevant here.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: I am only try to get clarity on this.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: In fairness, the advice I received was this proposal had to be ruled out of order because it involved a potential cost to the Exchequer. Deputy Michael McNamara has outlined an example of a case in Britain and the Minister of State has indicated he will come back to it.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: We will come back to the Deputy on it.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: Yes, once it is not voted on.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forestry Bill 2013: Committee Stage (25 Feb 2014)

Andrew Doyle: Amendment No. 41 is an alternative to amendment No. 40. Amendments Nos. 40 and 42 are related, while amendments Nos. 43 and 44 are alternatives to amendment No. 42. Therefore, amendments Nos. 40 to 44, inclusive, will be discussed together.

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