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Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: We have received apologies from Deputy Murnane O'Connor and our Chairman, Deputy McNamara, whom we congratulate on his election to the European Parliament. Parliamentary privilege is considered to apply to the utterances of members participating online in a committee hearing when their participation is from the parliamentary precincts. There can be no assurances in respect of...

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: I thank Ms McArdle. I now invite Mr. Ryan to give his opening statement on behalf of the Department of Justice.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: I thank Mr. Ryan. I now invite Ms Queally to give her opening statement on behalf of the HSE.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: I will move on to Deputy Gould.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: We might come back to that in the next round. We will allow all the speakers in the first round to contribute first.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Next are Deputies McAuliffe and Hourigan.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Dr. Keenan is probably looking to come in.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: I am going to have to move on. The Deputy is way over time. I call Deputy Shanahan.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Thank you, Deputy Shanahan. I will go to Deputy Kenny.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: To clarify, Deputy Kenny, do you mean the drugs Act rather than Government policy itself?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Thank you, Deputy. There is lots in that. I will ask a few questions as well. We do have clinical-grade drugs that hospitals use that do not require engagement with the Taliban, when we look at how all medicines are made, so there may be some questions as to whether that is an accurate representation. There are things like heroin-assisted treatment programmes in other countries, and I am...

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Grand, I just did not understand why-----

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Exactly, so-----

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Exactly. I did not understand what was happening there.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Okay. For that to act as the basis, we must also look at this idea of a health diversion. We need to be very honest that the current model being worked on is not decriminalisation. I wonder if there is an objection from any of the Departments to decriminalisation in the repealing of section 3. Is there a departmental objection to decriminalisation?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: It is good to have this on record. As legislators we need to work on the idea of stop and search as a barrier to stopping the criminalising of people who experience addiction because the section that exists within the drugs Act is used for a broader purpose of being able to just stop and search carte blanche. It is using people who are in addiction and people who use drugs as a way to find...

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Yes, but in respect of the actual arrest piece and arresting somebody, will the witnesses tell me what is the evidence and the health rationale? Can the Department of Health say what is the health benefit of arresting someone for possession of drugs for personal use, whether it is the first time or the 12th time, and if they are in addiction, what is the evidence to support this as a good...

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: I am talking more about the Department of Health. I would imagine the Department of Health would be first for help and that it would see that arrest under the criminal justice system is not a health response, even if a health diversion has been offered once or twice, because addiction obviously is complex. From a health-led perspective, how is criminal justice, even factored into a health...

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: Okay. I thank the witnesses. I have gone over my time so I might go back around. Deputy Ward is up first.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Lynn Ruane: I have to move on.

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