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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Will the NDFA supply the figures I requested?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: That may be the case but the liquidator is not here. Representatives of the NDFA, a State organisation, are before the committee with officials from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. We are trying to reform the public service and how public expenditure is managed by having one person assume the roles of Minister for Finance and Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Did the State pay Sammon or Carillion?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: To whom was-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: PPP Co, which was DIF and Carillion combined, paid Sammon Contracting about 98% of what it was due.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: The argument that Sammon Contracting got caught up in Carillion is not, in Mr. Cahillane's opinion, the reason Sammon got into trouble.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Sammon ultimately dealt with the PPP Co, which was DIF and Carillion. It got 98% of its money, did not pay others and went into liquidation. As a result, desks in schools have not been paid for. Whatever about testing and certifying floor surfaces and electrical works, I do not believe there is any certification process for school desks. If there is one, I am not aware of it. It is wrong...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I agree there is a title issue, rather than a certification issue. A sum of €250,000 would be significant for any company providing school desks because such businesses are generally not large. As someone who happens to be the chairman of a board of management of a school, I am familiar with the running of schools and the costs involved. I also know that people in PPP schools...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: The committee has had three days of hearings on this issue. The NDFA and some of the companies affected by this case have given evidence. The "Prime Time" programme also dealt with the issue. Can Mr. Cahillane give the people who are owed money any hope of getting some of their money back? I do not want him to give them false hope.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I thank Mr. Cahillane for that answer. While it is not an answer I like, at least he gave me one. An interdepartmental group was established in 2017 to examine public private partnerships. I presume that occurred before the collapse of Sammon Contracting?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I see in the opening statement that it was before Sammon Contracting's collapse. Did the interdepartmental group examine what happened in bundle 5?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: It did not do so.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: In his opening remarks, Mr. Howard indicated the Department had commissioned an interdepartmental group in 2017 to review the experience of PPPs and report to the Minister. The report was commissioned before the case emerged. I take Mr. Howard's point that, in the fullness of time, the Department may examine this case. The report, which was published only yesterday and sets out its main...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: However, it really has no relevance to this particular example.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Obviously, we are talking about this example - bundle 5 - and the effects of the collapse of Sammon, particularly on the subcontractors involved. Sammon's collapse is arguably the result of Carillion's collapse. Mr. Cahillane suggested that he does not necessarily think that was the case. Mr. Howard's opening remarks were grand, and quite interesting in their own way, but they are really...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Very well. However, the witnesses do not really have anything to say. The final paragraph indicates that the main priority regarding Carillion is to open the schools.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: This section is five lines in length and more or less says that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform wants to open the schools. In other words, we should move on, forget about whoever is hurt by the whole thing, get the schools open and get the pupils and teachers into their accommodation. Of course, we do not want schools that were paid for by the State to remain closed....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I thank the Chair. I do not think I have gone on too long.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: The Chair might think so, but-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I will wrap up in a moment. Does Mr. Howard not agree that there should be an examination of the way PPPs are working in light of what has happened to Sammon? The report, the findings of which were published by the Department a few months ago - with analysis published yesterday - does not take Sammon into account. Another report needs to be compiled in respect of Sammon. The same thing...