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Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: The question was, is it a subjective or an objective test of the Minister's opinion?

Seanad: Order of Business (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I second Senator Craughwell's excellent proposal. This is very bad parliamentary practice. I remember meeting other group leaders when I was a representative of the independent university panel and a general rule was that we did not take Committee Stage and Report Stage on the same day, other than in the most exceptional of situations. The reason for that is to give the Government time to...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order, having checked it with the Clerk, Deirdre Lane, just now, I understand that the procedure whereby an amendment to a Bill is ruled out of order is that a recommendation comes up from the Bills Office, goes through to the Seanad Office and then on to the Cathaoirleach for a ruling. In this case, it came to the Leas-Chathaoirleach to rule it out of order. I understand that...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: May I propose these amendments again on Report Stage? Is it possible for the Leas-Chathaoirleach to engage in a separate consideration?

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I am grateful for the courteous and careful way in which the Leas-Chathaoirleach has allowed me to express my major concern about this. It has the potential to bring the Seanad and the officials who work in these Houses and their decision making under public scrutiny in a way that will not reflect well on them. These issues are going to be central to the public debate and if it is out there...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Tairgim leasú a 7: I leathanach 7, idir línte 3 agus 4, an méid seo a leanas a chur isteach:“5 Ní cead alt 4 den Airteagal seo a agairt chun oibriú Airteagail 42 nó 44 nó na saoirsí agus na cearta a admhaítear sna hAirteagail sin a thoirmeasc nó a rialú nó a bhac.”.I move amendment No. 7:In page 6, after line 6, to...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: The debate was guillotined, which was unfortunate. Similar issues arose with regard to conscientious objection. Nobody should have any sympathy with anybody who would like to discriminate against a person on the grounds that he or she is gay. It should be and is against the law. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation should be outlawed. There are exceptions to pretty much...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: The printer went privately and respectfully and offered his hand, and it was not taken. Can we not find a way to accommodate differences of opinion? Is that not what all the great liberal traditions are about, if we consider the separation of church and state in the American tradition? Is it not about allowing people to go their own way unimpeded by the higher force of law except where it...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: At the offices of Charlie Hebdo.

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: The Senator must tell me what is being said sometime. I never check Twitter.

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: The Minister stated on a number of occasions that the scheme which goes with the referendum proposal makes clear that religious organisations will not be required to provide marriage ceremonies and so on. Nobody has suggested that it should be otherwise. This is a hare which no one opposed to the referendum has raised during the debate. This is one example of how the people who are most...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I am sorry to press the Minister but I need to. The public deserves that the Minister would address this more specifically, with the assistance of her officials. They are doing Trojan work, and I have noticed them here for the Children and Family Relationship Bill as well. They are working on many issues that are obviously connected to that extent. The officials have just moved chairs...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: The Minister is contradicting herself in a way by arguing that this issue will be left vague and uncertain because we do not know what the Supreme Court will decide. She chose her words carefully when she stated the referendum was about access to marriage. My point, however, is that she did not say it was only about access to marriage. I have access to a legal opinion on this question to...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Senator Norris can always be relied on to say something interesting, if perhaps not relevant.

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: We know that some Muslims hold that view. It is all about sharing the love. Assuming the referendum passes, let us take as an example the case of a small business which is asked to provide a particular type of catering service that would have the couple who own the business assume a hands-on role at a celebrity same-sex marriage. If the couple were to decide they preferred not to provide...

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order, nobody is talking about depriving people of a service solely on the grounds of their sexual orientation.

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: That distinction was made clearly. Senator Power is obviously not listening to the debate in full.

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Senator Conway has a great gift we can all learn from. He manages to say affirming things about people on all sides of the debate in the Seanad and there is never the slightest tone of needling, unpleasantness, insult or moral outrage. We could all learn from him.

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: It will help him at the ballot box as well.

Seanad: An Bille um an gCeathrú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Comhionannas Pósta) 2015: Céim an Choiste - Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: That is not a promise. Senator White could possibly learn a thing or two from him as well. Senator Barrett might very well be right in what he says, and I would like to be associated with the general feeling of positivity he has towards people. I and others have made it very clear that whatever reservations we have about this proposal, we want a culture where there is complete love and...

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