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Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (5 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: I welcome the Minister to the House. It is somewhat of a challenge to know exactly where to start. A former Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds, said once in a different context that it was the little things that tripped one up. When one looks at any of the individual provisions and measures contained in this Bill, the Minister has quite cogently argued a justification for all of them....

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: The truth is somewhere in between.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: I have no wish to make life difficult for the Leader but his remarks on the Order of Business regarding the duration of this debate could be open to interpretation. I understand two Members are offering and I suggest by way of compromise, on the basis that the Leader has put it on the record that he has no wish to guillotine any Stage of the Bill, he should allow two minute contributions by both.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: Four years ago.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: The Minister cannot go back and revise this.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: Please put it in context.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: The Minister, without interruption.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: I do not think that is a point of order.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: The Minister is responding to a point raised in the debate.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: I would advise that the Minister should be allowed to respond in the manner in which he wishes to respond.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: When is it proposed to take Committee Stage?

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: I move amendment No. 1: In page 6, line 21, after “income” to insert “in excess of €6,000”.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: I will wait to hear the Minister.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: Am I right that the current threshold for unearned income is €3,174?

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: Therefore, there is nothing to stop the Government or any future one from reducing it to bring more people into the net, which seems to be the trend that is developing here.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: While many people may pay more PRSI, as the Minister has said, they will not accrue any additional benefits. Therefore, the self-employed will continue to remain outside the net in this regard. This has been an ongoing difficulty, particularly for those self-employed people who had worked for some time in the construction industry whose income in the past three or four years has been...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: No better woman. Senator Moloney should be sitting where the Minister is sitting, in case she gets incapacitated.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: Can I ask a question-----

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: Can the Minister indicate the effect this proposal will have on the Social Insurance Fund? She spoke generally about the deficit in the Social Insurance Fund. What impact will this particular measure have or are there figures for that?

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

Paschal Mooney: Keeping in mind that the amount is modest, would the Minister not see some merit in the case put forward by Senator Power that there would be more clarification on the particular point she has made to ensure one could separate unearned income from actual loss, as she has illustrated?

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