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Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: That does not mean it is right.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: It was French and not German.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I will speak in Irish, so Members may wish to put on their earphones. Is dóigh go dtagann ceist an táille go bun an scéil maidir leis an cur i gcoinne atá ag Sinn Féin i dtaobh an Bille seo. Táimid glan i gcoinne an táille seo a bheith curtha ar ghnáth muintir na tíre ar an mbunús gur dóigh linn nach bhfuil siad in ann é a iompar faoi láthair. Ceapaim go gceapann an tAire nach...

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: Absolutely. Baineann sé leis an táille. Baineann an táille seo le airgead a bhailiú don Stát. Táthar ag caint ar €50 breise a chur ar ghnáth muintir na tíre atá ag cónaí i Luimneach, i gConamara agus ar fud na tíre. Bhí cruinnithe poiblí ar siúl agus an pointe mór a bhí ag daoine ag na cruinnithe sin ná nach mbeadh siad ábalta é seo a íoc. Níl siad in ann chuige...

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: Sin an pointe a bhí á dhéanamh agam a Sheanadóir nuair a bhí mé ag caint faoi na moltaí atá déanta ag Sinn Féin maidir leis an réamhbhuiséad. Bhí muid ag iarraidh díospóireachta faoi sin. Baineann an díospóireacht le cé as a bhfuil muid ag fáil an airgid agus cá bhfuil muid ag cur béime. An bhfuil muid ag cur béime ar tuilleadh chostais a chur ar ghnáth dhaoine nó...

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: No, it is not.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: On a point of order, we do not agree with the ruling on amendments Nos. 12 and 13 tabled by Sinn Féin.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: We are trawling through the sludge quite well and clarifying many of the issues with regard to this Bill. However, there is a contradiction in the Minister's answer on this specific point. Earlier I asked him - quite specifically, because I was seeking clarification on this point - whether the registration process and the inspection process were for septic tank systems or for groundwater,...

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: Well, the purpose of the re-registration process is to allow inspectors to check that the systems are working. Are we talking about checking the system or the water coming from it?

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: If it is only the groundwater, why do people need to re-register the actual septic tank? Even though we are seeing a lot of crime in rural areas, I have never known anybody to steal a septic tank. I do not think a septic tank will move in the lifetime of a house.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: They are.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: Most septic tanks are plastic these days, so I do not think that will be an issue.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I am telling you.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: There are a few blocks in them as well.

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: That is the point. It was a red herring thrown in by the Minister. There is a basic issue here: if one registers a septic tank, it will not move. It is connected to a house, which will not move. A person who registers will be on the system; the county council will know exactly what septic tank he or she has installed. There is some sort of red herring in the Minister's explanation of the...

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: There is another possibility or way of doing this. If one has a house and one wishes to make an alteration to it, one should make an application for a change. Could that work under this system? My concern is that we may be creating a bureaucracy that will lead to duplication every five years and a great deal of additional work within a Civil Service that is already burdened and which we...

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: The thrust of what we said earlier was that the system will check the quality of the ground water is suitable. Why are we going back to a system? There is a system in place, through the planning process, which tells people the specifications for septic tanks if they are building houses. Therefore, the Minister is asking people to register such systems with the Department, which is fine....

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: The Minister cannot have it both ways. He told me earlier it is about checking that the water-----

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: This has been a long debate but I am fairly clear about what was said earlier because I tried to labour the point. We discussed houses that were built 20, 30 or 40 years ago. I understand the Minister said if the water coming out of such systems was of an EPA standard to be laid down it did not matter what the systems were or how they worked as long as they conformed to the guidelines in...

Seanad: Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Nov 2011)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: That is not what the Minister said earlier.

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