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Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Let me use up the few seconds left to me because this is a very serious issue. The others to whom Mr. O'Brien refers-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Great.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am sticking rigidly to the point. Mr. O'Brien came and gave evidence. He had three people in his head and it turns out that one of them had not left the service. I am moving on because the Chairman has asked me to do so. I am identifying and speaking now about H6. Mr. O'Brien is putting H6 among the others who are still employed. By whom is H6 employed? Does Mr. O'Brien know where H6...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Great. Will Mr. O'Brien clarify the position for us?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I do not want the person identified. Mr. O'Brien is here to correct the record. He inadvertently made one mistake. I am just identifying H6 - there are other people - who was identified by the inquiry as one of the key decision makers. Is that person currently with Tusla, the Health Service Executive or any other public body? I ask for a "Yes" or "No" answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Good. Is Mr. O'Brien in a position to clarify what position the person holds, where he or she is employed and whether he or she has been promoted?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is fine. I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is H6 working for Tusla?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien can say "No" if he wants.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am entitled to ask the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: We have "might" and "may". When Mr. O'Brien gave evidence in February 2016 it was in the context of a general question by Deputies who were asking questions about what happened to the people who made these decisions and where they went afterwards. I have read the transcript and that was the general context. In that context, I am asking Mr. O'Brien the same question today because he has now...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Chairman may make a ruling on this matter but I certainly believe it has not been helpful. I have not tried to identify anyone. I am simply-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Please, we are here today to clarify matters. It would be helpful, therefore, if Mr. O'Brien clarified matters. The reason he is back before the committee is because of the lack of clarification on the previous occasion or the inadvertent giving of the wrong information.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The questions were asked by the Chairman at the previous meeting with regard to what happened to the persons who made the decision to leave Grace in her home. That was the context.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Where did these people go and what happened in terms of whether they are still working for the public service? That is the context and Mr. O'Brien said all three that were in his head were not working for the public service. It turns out that not only is one of them still in the public service, but H6, who has been identified by the inquiry, is also in the public service. Mr. O'Brien is...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The word "sophistry" was used yesterday in the Dáil.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I do not like the use of the word "interrogation" in this context. The Chairman may have been making a general comment but I have been factual and asked factual questions. My final question concerns contact with the Garda. Mr. O'Brien stated contact was made on 24 February 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What triggered this contact? Mr. O'Brien stated the Health Service Executive triggered it.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The members are being rude. I cannot hear.

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