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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: On the 2021 package, was the individual involved in as well?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Primarily but possibly.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: They kept them open. It was a cultural thing that an individual who was leaving RTÉ on a very good salary had probably quite a good degree of influence in terms of their exit package and the shape of that package. Would that be fair to say?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: It could be any individual, not one in particular.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: We were too, as we have discussed before. I have a question regarding those who have exited the organisation. It is not necessarily about those who exited most recently because there was more of an exodus yesterday. Was it yesterday? Did Mr. Collins resign formally yesterday or was that previous to yesterday?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Okay. With regard to the others who have exited the organisation, we are waiting to hear from some and others who we would like to come before the committee have just point-blank refused. Has Mr. Bakhurst, as the new director general, had contact from Ms Forbes, Ms Moran, Ms O'Leary or any of those?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Has he had any contact over the summer months?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: What about the others?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Was that after she resigned?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: What about Ms Moran?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Breda Moran.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I am sorry; Ms Breda O'Keeffe.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I raise the ongoing issue of the licence fee. When Mr. Bakhurst was here before the summer, I inquired about it at that stage and he said there was not such a great impact at that point. Obviously things are drastically different now. RTÉ is bringing reforms forward and Mr. Bakhurst spoke to the staff at the town hall-style meeting. What is the collection rate as of today? Maybe...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Does the Department have an up-to-date figure as to where it stands in terms of collections?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Is that year on year, comparatively?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I have a question for Ms Mullooly. Earlier she made reference to the independent solicitor's office within RTÉ. How is it independent?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Who is the employer?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Who is the answerable line manager within RTÉ?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: How is an office independent if it is employed by an organisation and answerable to the head of the organisation? It is giving advice to the organisation but it is a bit of a stretch to call it completely independent. I would say an independent office is something that has no connection to RTÉ and may be hired or contracted by RTÉ for independent advice. A sub-department of an...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Cormac Devlin: From our perspective as the Committee of Public Accounts when we hear "independent office" it sounds like it is coming from a third party when in actual fact, the advice Ms Mullooly is giving, and it is nothing personal to her or to her colleagues, is coming from RTÉ, paid by RTÉ and for RTÉ. It is all RTÉ. Is that right?

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