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Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What were they?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is stated on page 88: "The Inquiry Team would also be of the view that the decision taken at October's case conference to effectively reverse the outcome of the April case conference was taken by the professionals concerned, including ... (H7), ...(H6), and ... (H4)". Has Mr. O'Brien read this?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Good. There was no mention of H12.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I have and underlined them.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien, please. I am sticking strictly to this and have underlined the various parts. Paragraph 5.4.2 reads, "The Inquiry Team would also be of the view...". It proceeds to identify those who took the decision to "effectively reverse the outcome" as H6, H7 and H4. There is no mention of H12. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: There is no mention of H12 as one of the individuals who made the decision as identified by the inquiry team. Mr. O'Brien's colleague is shaking his head. Does Mr. Purcell agree?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I have done that.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I want to be fair to Mr. O'Brien. He introduced the word "panel" and the term "dual role". This inquiry, at paragraph 5.4.2, identifies three people, none of whom is among the persons Mr. O'Brien identified. He can disagree with me if he wishes. I am highlighting this point.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I will come to how it relates to the evidence. Does Mr. O'Brien accept what I am saying about paragraph 5.4.2?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I did not do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I did not do that. I will refrain from saying that it might be appropriate for me to interpret that that is what Mr. O'Brien has done but I will not make that interpretation. I will stick with the facts.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: No, I am not.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Purcell can answer if he likes. Mr. O'Brien stated the three individuals were in his head when he gave evidence.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: He inadvertently stated they had all left the public service. He has clarified this and identified those three people as three people who made a decision and had a dual role. If we take the five individuals, H6 is mentioned. Is H6 still employed by the Health Service Executive, Tusla or anywhere else in the public service?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. Let us look at the word "others". The others still in public service include H6.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. That is to the best of Mr. O'Brien's knowledge.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Could that change?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yes, depending on searches or more digging or-----

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