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Select Committee on the Future of Healthcare: Integration of Health and Social Care: St. Patrick's Mental Health Services (9 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: That is alarming statistic. I am always in favour of prevention rather than cure. There is a wealth of experience among the three members of the deputation in dealing with thousands of people coming through the doors of St. Patrick's Hospital annually over many years. What are we doing wrong? I will re-phrase the question in less general terms. What can we do that has not been done...

Select Committee on the Future of Healthcare: Integration of Health and Social Care: St. Patrick's Mental Health Services (9 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: I know about that, but other than that.

Select Committee on the Future of Healthcare: Community and Social Care Support: Discussion (9 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: I thank Dr. McDaid and Ms Mitchell for being here today and we appreciate them taking the time to do so. It is a very important subject. I remember being in school and learning the Latin maxim, mens sana in corpore sano; I am not sure if I am saying it correctly but it refers to a healthy mind in a healthy body. That was drummed into us and it is very true. The witnesses have reflected...

Select Committee on the Future of Healthcare: Community and Social Care Support: Discussion (9 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: I must apologise but my colleagues and I who are in government must go to the Dáil for the Order of Business at 12 noon but I have questions for the witnesses.

Select Committee on the Future of Healthcare: Community and Social Care Support: Discussion (9 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: No. A quorum is needed.

Select Committee on the Future of Healthcare: Community and Social Care Support: Discussion (9 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: We will try to return. We have a Whip, so members may have to appear.

Select Committee on the Future of Healthcare: Community and Social Care Support: Discussion (9 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: I will.

Select Committee on the Future of Healthcare: Community and Social Care Support: Discussion (9 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: I apologise to Mr. Dunne for disrupting his presentation but unfortunately that is the nature of the beast. The ageing population does not get the same credence as young children, and they are neglected. Loneliness is a big issue. Dr. Browne referred to transport, for example, and social isolation and combatting that. What other initiatives would he suggest? It is not achievable to...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: Suffice to say, I agree with Deputy MacSharry. I think this is potentially very explosive. There is a question of fabrication here, and who is telling the truth and who is not. It is quite shocking to read this letter. I would be looking for a detailed response from NAMA and also to bring its representatives - particularly Mr. Stewart, who has already given some evidence on this issue...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: I understand Deputy Cassells' point but we have to allow NAMA the opportunity to respond to this as well because we are not a court. I accept the chief executive officer put his name to this. NAMA has also given its submissions here. We need to be careful that we do not have people proven guilty until it is done.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: While I appreciate that, both sides are vociferous in what they are saying. We have to establish who is telling the truth, and that has not been established as yet.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: Does the Chairman not think that we should call Tom Rice before the committee to give his views on this letter?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: Sorry.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: We must be very careful. I am not taking sides at all here, but looking at it very objectively, NAMA has come before the committee and given evidence, and we have a letter from Tom Rice. He states he will not give evidence on very serious assertions he put in his letter. If he cannot make it to this committee room, somebody else should be in his stead because he has put his name to this...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: That is optimistic.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: The Chairman gets my point.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: Other assertions come out during oral evidence-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (10 Nov 2016)

Josepha Madigan: -----that are not always on paper. In the interest, as the Chairman said, of fairness, we should have somebody representing-----

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