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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: For example, let us say we want a new kitchen suitable for somebody with particular needs. The builder gives a quote for €10,000 and the quote document comes into Caranua and it pays the money before the work is done. Is that it?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does Caranua pay all the money or a deposit? One would never pay a builder upfront. Talk me through that.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We will just take the example of the €10,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: A quote comes in for €10,000 for a new kitchen and Caranua approves it. The builder wants to start so Caranua gives €2,000 or €3,000 until it reaches €10,000. Caranua never receives a completion notice for work done or itemised bills.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I thought the Comptroller and Auditor General said that we did not have receipts and that was a problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It was for more than 50%, though.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: All the time.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That is another concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I understand that. It is the reason they need the grant.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is it not very loose?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Between flexibility, being person-centred, reflexology and the whole lot, there are so many things where there is no control over money.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I understand that. That is not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I cannot understand how anyone would administer money without physical evidence that work was done, which Caranua clearly said it does not have, and continue to write cheques without an official receipt from the person who got the money.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Caranua does not seem to have much concern about reconciling its accounts, with invoice in, money out, job done-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: This has been going on for years, which is clear from the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. There have not been receipts. Did Caranua ever do a snap audit? Did it ask if the money was going to the wrong place? Did it ever examine payments of €40,000, €10,000 or €4,000? Did it do an audit to see if there was any falsification?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes, or falsification of invoices. Did Caranua ever delve down?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What does "look" mean?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is it widespread?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is not the survivors issuing the invoices; it is building people.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: In what Caranua looked at-----

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