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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does Ms Downes believe there is any role for her to get an extension to Caranua's remit? Instead of moving to a different process, now that the organisation has got its house in order - not necessarily financially but in terms of the witness' claims that they have sorted themselves out - does she believe it would be beneficial to survivors for the organisation to continue longer than was...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes. That is my point. It is not fixable.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Has Ms Downes concerns about survivors being left hanging, so to speak, after Caranua ceases? Where do they go then?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: They are transitioning to a different service.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: With their unique needs, does Ms Downes believe that will work?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does Ms Downes believe that organisations such as ALONE are fit to do that in that it took so long for Caranua, whose very remit was to help people out with these complex situations, to do it? Surely ALONE and whoever else will face the same challenges it faced.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: They are different from Caranua.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I spoke to the Chairman before lunch about the list of health supports. Is it the case that these are the headings under which the witnesses can claim or is it the case that when the receipt is presented the witnesses slot it in and they might create a new category?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Regarding a value for money assessment, when Caranua spends X amount on a lease or housing support, does it follow up on that and decide whether, say, the insulation work helped or save on bills or is that just done and dusted in that moment?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is all qualitative. Do the witnesses do a financial assessment, as such, on the spend?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We have come full circle back to our role here, which is scrutiny of taxpayers' money-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: -----or money spent.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is money, and it is our people.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Being mindful never gave the witnesses a clear audit. Do they know what I mean?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Mindfulness never set us free from audits.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Just because there are two or three quotes does not necessarily mean it is value for money. The witnesses are saying that they have not been doing value for money assessments on the spend.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What Ms Dwyer is saying is that when it is being closed, it is assessed. What I was talking about was more qualitative. Does Caranua do any financial assessment? Does it say that it gave Mary €60,000 and that it has had so many positive outcomes? Does it do any of that type of assessment?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Caranua has never done that. It has paid for work done on a building but no one has ever gone out to check the work was done.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is there any auditing of invoices?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It was an invoice but not a receipt.

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