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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: In the interests of being constructive, I suggest that we begin with the submission from the IMO.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Can the Medical Council identify any deficiencies it has recognised in the current guidelines which need to be addressed? Under the guidelines the Medical Council recognises the distinction between abortion, to which Professor Murphy has referred, and a termination of pregnancy arising from the course of therapeutic intervention in which every effort is made to preserve the life of the baby....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I agree that the medical guidelines are very clear, but none of my three questions was answered. The first concerns the distinction as Ms Spillane sees it between an abortion and the termination of a pregnancy by therapeutic intervention. What is the evidence base for suicide being used as a ground for termination? We are talking about today, not in 20 years time as medicine as evolved....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I will ask three brief questions. I thank the delegation for the clarity of its answers. My first question relates to the European Court of Human Rights decision in the C case. The evidence before that court was that the woman had been undergoing chemotherapy for cancer for three years, then went into remission and subsequently unintentionally became pregnant. What treatment would the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Perhaps Dr. Mahony would respond to my questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I do not wish to delay the meeting but would welcome a response to the two specific questions which I put to Dr. Mahony, namely, what changes does she believe legislation should engender in current medical practice or should we legislate for any particular changes and, if the Offences Against the Persons Act is repealed should any new legislation provide for a duty of care for the unborn child?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: That is not true.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Thank you, Chairman. As we come to the end of the first day of hearings, we can be reassured about the very great degree of confidence in the quality of our maternal health care. In fact, Professor Greene started by talking about women availing of the very high level of health care on offer in this country. I welcome the statement of the obstetricians and gynaecologists that outcomes and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: It is not. It is very pertinent.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I wish to put a question to the obstetricians. I understand that when a person with suicidal intent who is beyond a certain gestational period is being treated, efforts are made to made to induce the baby and save the baby's life. Are we saying prior to that gestational period being reached, the baby's life will be forfeited and the treatment will not take place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I am trying to find out whether the treatment that would be done post-viability could be applied to the earlier stage. As one of the witnesses said, a person who feels suicidal one day might not feel suicidal the next day. Could we try to bring the woman through such a situation to the gestational stage at which the baby could be induced safely?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: On a point of order-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Will you allow me to raise a point of order briefly?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: It is not about the Bar Council but about giving the Irish Council for Civil Liberties two hours. It is a pro-abortion group.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: That is an opinion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I am not interested either.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I spoke to the clerk last night about the content today, but what we are getting is opinions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Yesterday we had a good consensus from the medical experts that current medical practice was very good if only it could be statutorily underpinned. The contentious issue is that of suicide. Despite what the delegates opposite are saying, the clear evidence yesterday from the professionals in the field was that it was very difficult to predict the outcome for a patient who presented with...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I echo what was already said. I compliment Dr. Brady on making an honourable and professional contribution to us. I am well aware of his advocacy on the pro-choice side and he acknowledged that, which is an honourable thing to do. I am aware from the accounts of the Irish Council for Civil Liberties that it has received between €7 million and €8 million from Chuck Feeney,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Would that other groups that have appeared before the committee yesterday and this morning had taken the same professional approach Dr. Brady has taken - unfortunately they did not. Dr. Brady spoke about the C case. Would he agree that the European Court of Human Rights allows a relatively broad range of discretion to countries and certainly from a time perspective it does not rush...

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