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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: It could still operate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I thank the clerk to the committee for facilitating this morning's meeting. I want to set the scene. Of the 4,500 providers throughout the country, how many provide full-day services, how many provide half-day services, how many provide services under the ECCE scheme and how many provide after-school services? What percentage of crèches or providers were inspected in 2018? I am...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I have a second question and it is important. Did the Department ever receive communications regarding the facility which we are discussing and which was the core focus of the RTÉ programme? When was the Department made aware of these issues? Tusla was made aware of them on 31 March 2018. That was outlined in the opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Tusla became aware that the unregistered facility was in operation on 31 March 2018. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: When did the Department become aware of this matter?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: A member of the committee tabled a specific parliamentary question on this matter in July 2018. It is important to know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Was the Department aware of the issue before that parliamentary question was tabled?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: That is okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Perfect. That is no problem. Following on from what Ms McNally said, what percentage of Tusla inspections took place in each of the categories of facility as we have broken them down?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: It is reactionary.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Of course. Tusla does not have the figure I requested, but I hope it will have a figure as to how many repeat inspections have taken place in respect of full-day services. One inspection is an operational inspection and a second inspection is a repeat inspection, about which information has still not been put into the public domain. There may then be a third inspection. How many providers...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: How many have been inspected more than three times in the last year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I am talking about full-day childcare providers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: That is crucial information to these proceedings and Tusla does not have it. That is unforgivable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I will follow on from that by asking about the regulations and about the powers that Tusla possesses. As we are all aware, the Act was amended in 2016. This is why I want to know when communication took place between the Department and Tusla. As Ms McNally quite rightly stated, we came from a very low base so any amendments were very welcome at that point. I am trying to understand - the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Tusla can prosecute an unregistered facility.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Why did it not prosecute this service between 31 January 2018 and March 2019? Why did it take 15 months?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Can Tusla not go straight to the High Court? Can it not seek an injunction to close a service immediately?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Issues Regarding Childcare Facilities: Discussion (31 Jul 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: That is not within Tusla's powers.

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