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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Otherwise there would be tax implications. Did I hear Ms Tallon correctly, that information on 160 allowances was not sent to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: How much do these allowances cost? We will not waste our time on the small ones, but what about the large allowances payable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: What was the cut-off point? How did the Department decide what information to send? Did it send good information over which it could stand and hang onto that it could not stand over? Perhaps the Department only sent information on the small allowances, but information on the large allowances was not readily available.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Is there a list of the 160 allowances applied?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Have we been given the list?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Will the witnesses circulate the list?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Does the Department have the list of the 160 allowances that was not forwarded?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Has the Department forwarded the list?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: That means its work is incomplete.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The number of allowances might be large or small. We have heard about 1,100 allowances, but that figure is now 1,260 and we do not have information on 160 of them. We are trying to get a complete picture. I am not suggesting anything untoward has been done. How did the Department distinguish between what it was and was not going to forward?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Surely the view should have been taken that any such allowance should have been killed off sooner rather than in 40 years time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Does Ms Tallon have any idea of how much money is involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: What was the cost of the allowances forwarded to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: It sounds as if the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform asked the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government for the details of the allowances and that the latter only sent details on €17 million out of the total of €61 million. It has held back three quarters of the information, but perhaps I am wrong.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Ongoing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps I did not spot that subtle point. We know that at least 160 local authority allowances at a cost of €44 million are not on the list of 1,100 allowances. The business cases are part of an ongoing process, but I believed the figure of 1,100 was the total. More allowances might still come through from other Departments. Is the group of 160 allowances the largest across all...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Is there information we have yet to receive?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Is this the largest single group? What about the HSE, which is an obvious group?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government - Review of Allowances
(31 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The HSE has grown from the health boards, which grew out of county committees on health. They all have their roots at county level. It goes back a few years. The committee must be conscious of this point.

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