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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Is Mr. O'Brien not going to express a view on something of this nature? I would have thought this would have formed part of it. It is a very senior clinician expressing some very serious views about the withholding of information from women, but Mr. O'Brien does not want to comment on it. When people say they do not have confidence in Mr. O'Brien-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: -----it is when he gives answers like this that causes people to say that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It is an important piece of correspondence and Mr. O'Brien is telling me he has not seen it. I find that quite unbelievable because it is very material to what we are discussing here today. I am sorry, Chairman, I am way over my time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Quite some time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Time flies when one is having fun. It feels like we have been here for 20 hours. I thank all the witnesses for remaining with us this evening. The committee members are aware that the meeting has been prolonged but we have questions which must be answered. Two people in this room - Dr. McKenna and Dr. Henry - received the letter from Vicky Phelan's consultant. I do not understand what...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Led to believe by whom?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It is quite late in the evening and I would prefer if Dr. McKenna were not vague in his answers. How high up did this go? He is a very senior person in the HSE structure and was such when he received the letter. Did he feel the need to give it to a more senior person? Did he speak to people on the same level as himself? Did he inform the Department? Were any other letters of that nature...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Is Mr. O'Brien satisfied that the appropriate action was taken at the time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: While we are discussing accountability, who does Mr. O'Brien consider should be held accountable?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It is late in the evening. Is Mr. O'Brien going to say it is the fault of those who did not do their job but fail to identify those people? I am on the record as stating that the buck stops with Mr. O'Brien.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: That answer has caused even more confusion. I suspect that might have been its intention. Has Dr. McKenna or Dr. Henry been promoted since then?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: These are the people who did not follow up but have subsequently------

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It is clear that they did not take action.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Their action was to assume that somebody else was going to take action.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I have not done so.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: What assurances were received? Was anything written down? Was there a meeting? Was it done over the phone? Did they stop someone in the corridor and go for a cup of coffee with him or her?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Who sent that letter?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Which member of the programme sent it? Was it sent by the head of the programme?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Will Dr. Henry provide a copy of the letter to the committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It would be very helpful if he did so as soon as possible. The Taoiseach described what happened as a cock-up. Would Mr. O'Brien use that phrase to describe it?

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