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Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Yes.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Part 1 of the First Schedule sets out the required particulars to be entered in the register of births. The provision in paragraphs (a) and (b) of Part 1 of the First Schedule allows the parents or a parent if one is deceased or cannot be traced to assign a surname other than their own name, or alternatively a combination of their names for the child, which is what the Senator mentioned. As...

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: It is in Part 1 of the First Schedule.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Yes. The name is traced back.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: The parents or parent can apply to assign a surname other than their own name, or a combination of their names. It is not proposed to extend this provision to any person other than the parents. When a child is born it naturally has parents. The Senator is asking that another person be allowed the right. Paragraph (b) of the First Schedule refers to: such other name as may be requested by both...

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Yes. It is on that basis that we are keeping it tight.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: It is a safeguard to ensure that this would not befall a child.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Part 5 of the First Schedule sets out the required particulars to be registered in respect of a death. The following additional information will be required to be registered: The date and place of birth; birth surname, address and PPS number of the deceased person; the date of certificate of cause of death; forename, surname, registered qualification, daytime telephone number and the business...

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: My officials are looking for a marriage certificate; it is a while since I saw my own, and we had to go before the judge to change it. A birth certificate only shows the names of the parents, not the grandparents, which is what this is trying to do. The Senator is going back another generation. The next linkage can be done through the information made available to the person.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Yes.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: If God spares us, none of us will be dead.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Prior to all this legislative change, genealogists involved themselves in performing these searches. What they are expecting is that we will now do that for them. We have accepted two amendments on behalf of the Genealogical Society of Ireland, one to do with the date, place of birth and the birth surname of the mother in order that people would have greater access. With regard to...

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: No. That independent evaluation will be a separate issue and will not be a matter for me.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Yes, we are keeping the paper records.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: No, that is not the reason. It is just that we do not trust the rest of them.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: The Senator asked me to consider an amendment. There would be an additional cost to an tArd–Chláraitheoir's office to provide the additional information, given that we have accepted two further amendments following consultation with the Genealogical Society of Ireland on access to records.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: When David dies he will not care whether my name is on the death certificate.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: He will be looking for the pension. Part 5 of the First Schedule of the Bill provides for the particulars of death to be entered. It is not considered necessary for registration purposes to collect the name of the spouse of the deceased person. Such proposal could lead to distress or confusion for the deceased's family in certain circumstances, for example, where the parents are separated or...

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Yes. A problem could arise in such cases, although sometimes it is not a legal issue. One cannot expect the Ard–Chláraitheoir to go around searching, when a person dies, to see whether they were divorced or separated or had a judicial separation. If that information is introduced, in some instances it could cause angst among families.

Seanad: Civil Registration Bill 2003: Committee Stage (Resumed). (18 Feb 2004)

Mary Coughlan: Yes.

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