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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: They are not part of the HSE.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: As I stated, it stretches credibility beyond breaking point, if one will, that Mr. O'Brien was not aware of this. Dr. Coffey, in his memorandum to the Minister, stated he did not consider this to be a patient safety incident. I am sure he will understand the reason any woman reading the document would consider it to be very much a patient safety incident. At that stage, was Dr. Coffey...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I have one last point on that matter-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: It very much is a patient safety matter. I find the statement outrageous.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Mr. Gleeson said he sent it to the head of screening. It would be helpful if he could associate a name with that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: What is the title of the office and the time when he or she occupied it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I am sorry Chair, this actually is important. Here is the leaflet, what does the leaflet say? It says the result-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Yes, may not be 100% accurate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: The witness has given a figure that he would give to a woman and of course not every woman is going to see Dr. McKenna is she? No she is not. This was shambolic before we came in here. I imagine Mr. O'Brien came in here with his large assembled team to do some form of damage limitation exercise. With respect, he has made it worse. There is not one solitary woman outside of here who will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I am sorry Chair but this is outrageous.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: That is fair enough yes. Can one of the witnesses give me an answer as to what exactly the accuracy rates are? Is there a difference between whether or not it is tested in Ireland or America? Is there a difference between who takes it? Is there standard advice that is given to people? Is there any kind of standardised process at all? Dr. McKenna said what he would say to women, but...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: So Dr. McKenna would not have confidence in the literature that is issued.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Dr. McKenna would not have confidence in it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: If Dr. McKenna would change it then he is not confident in what goes out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Which is what?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Which is what?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Then I ask Mr. O'Brien where he got the figure of 30%, and I would prefer if he did not defer to one of his colleagues and just answer the question directly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: To be honest, as I have said, this is-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: I want to know where Mr. O'Brien got his figure from as the former head. I want to ask him a direct question. As the former head of the service where did he get his figure from?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Louise O'Reilly: Dr. McKenna said he would change the leaflet. I want to ask Dr. Holohan, Dr. McKenna and Dr. Coffey what they would put on the leaflet to indicate the likelihood of there being a false negative result. It states it may not be 100% accurate. Would they put it at 99%, at 70% as Mr. O'Brien has done, or at 85%? What would they put it at?

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