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Seanad: Order of Business. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: Senator Ross's comment was for me and I have answered it.

Seanad: Order of Business. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Order of Business. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: Allow Senator Ross to speak without interruption.

Seanad: Order of Business. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: It was enough.

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: I am concerned at what the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has said about discussions taking place with the Attorney General. One accepts there are cases where genuine mistakes are made and so on, but there is a requirement on the officials to be careful. A lackadaisical approach is unacceptable. This relates to serious principles of law and it gives me great pleasure to open a...

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: How did the Minister know that?

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: The Minister is having me watched.

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: Have we have moved on to my amendment?

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: I see. The Minister's anticipation was so effective that everyone has been talking about it.

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 12: In page 27, paragraph (b), to delete lines 1 to 3. The two principal provisions in section 14 relate to the reclassification of saliva and other materials as non-intimate samples, thereby allowing the Garda to take these samples without consent. Then there is provision for extending the time during which the samples may be kept from six to 12 months. The Minister has...

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: What about the CIA?

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: The CIA is already looking at our bank accounts. Perhaps it will also look at DNA samples as well.

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: What about people from whom DNA samples are taken without their consent? The Minister should talk to his friends, Joe and Josephine Soap. They will tell him.

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: Was it good old King Edward?

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: The Minister makes an interesting case. He is right in that this is a question of balance, which one should examine. On the Minister's difficulty in understanding why I described this provision as a penalty, if he ever achieves a national DNA register upon which everyone can be found, having a sample of one's DNA taken would not be a penalty, as there would be nothing unusual about such....

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: No. They might be cloned.

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: He was, but the other cousin in America could be the person referred to by the Minister. King Edward often visited here.

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 13: In page 27, paragraph (c), between lines 32 and 33, to insert the following: "(i) the video taping of the taking of samples in any case where the accused has refused permission for such samples to be taken,". We do not need to spend much time on this amendment, but I hope the Minister will accept its principle. Just as Senator Quinn usefully proposed that DNA evidence...

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: They are tight themselves at that time of night.

Seanad: Criminal Justice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (3 Jul 2006)

David Norris: Do the regulations come back to the Houses of the Oireachtas for approval?

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