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Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I move amendment No. 8: In page 9, to delete lines 4 and 5 and substitute the following:“(b) that medical procedure is carried out at an appropriate institution by--(i) an obstetrician, or (ii) a medical practitioner of a medical speciality in respect of which he or she is registered in the Specialist Division of the register, and which is relevant to the care or treatment in respect...

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I support much of what has been said by Senators David Norris and John Crown, in particular, and Senator Marc MacSharry, although I have difficulty with the God Enda Kenny analogy. The Taoiseach reminds me more of the Wizard of Oz.

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: He is a relatively small man hidden behind a smokescreen of advisers and handlers but who is making a loud noise and certainly managing to scare the people under his command.

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Most of the people, I am correctly reminded. I thank the Senator for that intervention.

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: One thing I have learned, if I had not already learned it in recent weeks, is that we should be very grateful for the Constitution. It is the Constitution that can save us from the shallowness of our political leaders right now. I am thankful, in particular, for the McKenna judgment and the Coughlan judgment, specifically the former. When we hear people grumbling about the McKenna...

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: They took a proposal from the Taoiseach that we all know to have been a shallow one. It came only a wet week after he had talked up the merits of reforming the Seanad and giving it an enhanced role. The advisers, minders and people who deal in shallow populist ideas told him it would be a good idea to curry favour with the electorate by reducing the number of politicians. Interestingly, as...

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I presumed the Leader would allow people to contribute.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I second the amendment.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: This amendment deserves every support.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: It is an attempt by humanity to stare ideology in the face. I would also like to note the paternalism of Senator Burke’s suggestion that we have listened to doctors and therefore we have no business here setting out the rules for what should or should not happen. That is a complete misunderstanding of the role of a legislature and it is quite bizarre that he should suggest that,...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: That is the reality of what section 9 provides for. Now, for the first time, we have to have regard to whether pain relief would be appropriate because under the sections 7 and 8 procedures, which are necessary interventions to save life in a situation of physical illness, there is no doubt but that every effort is being made to preserve the life of the child. We do not credibly believe...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: There is no point unless the Minister of State has something new to say.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order, the Minister of State is smirking. However, Senator Healy Eames is showing respect for someone whose permission she may not have in the context of revealing his name.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Perhaps Senator Colm Burke might reveal the names of the medical professionals he consulted.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: The Minister of State will not even-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: This is hypocrisy.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I move amendment No. 10: In page 9, line 26, to delete “is ended” and substitute “may be lost”.One remarkable aspect of this debate has been that when seeking to reassure Members, the various Ministers present talk about the necessity of procedures that involve the termination of a pregnancy. However, the legislation provides for the lawfulness of procedures in...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I thank the Minister of State for his response. I assure him that this is a substantive amendment which would make the following substantive difference. There would be absolutely no doubt that in a pre-viable situation the unborn child's life would be ended. However, in a situation at viability onwards, it would make clear that the intervention was not designed to take the life of the child...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I hear what the Minister of State says-----

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