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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: At local government level.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: The question is are they vetted properly? Is Mr. Doyle happy as Secretary General of the Department with regard to risk management, that senior officials at local level and in his Department are vetted properly?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Does the Department have a system in place that assure it of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: And Mr. Doyle is happy that it is part of a risk management strategy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: In Mr. Doyle’s capacity as Accounting Officer and Secretary General, on foot of the "RTÉ Investigates” programme in the context of councils in Cavan, Mayo, Cork, what did he do to deal with those situations? I do not want to hear that most of it was upturned on the basis of auditing. I want to know what has happened since to ensure that it does not happen again. What did...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: When did that system come into place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: How did it arise if that is the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: How did these situations - false accounting, fraudulent invoicing, employee fraud - arise? What did Mr. Doyle do since the public became aware of this through “RTÉ Investigates”? What did he do personally as the Secretary General? Did he do anything?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I will be more direct because I do not have time. Has anyone been put on garden leave?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Have there been no suspensions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I will probably come back to that because there is a situation in the Department of Health in which someone gave us vast amounts of information that was critical to how we understand funding and how Departments spend money, and that individual was suspended for doing a public service. It is beyond me that following the “RTÉ Investigates” programme nothing happens. Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: As the Secretary General of a Department, Mr. Doyle is saying that if a convicted rapist is going to-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I did not ask you that. I asked what you would do if it did happen. Would you say that you have nothing to do with the matter? Is it the case that as the Secretary General over the Department on a vast salary, you would not make any interjection or do anything? Even though senior officials are supposed to have credentials like integrity, trustworthiness and honesty, would you have nothing...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Is it the case that you have no input whatsoever? Under the standards in public office regime we operate, if somebody of that profile applied for a job and was given it by one of the county councils, would you have nothing to say? Are you telling me that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: So you are telling me-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Chair, I do not want to run out of time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: It is a very straightforward question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Sure we do not need to know the vacancy, Chair.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: He has said they are vetted.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Well I think-----

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