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Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does the €372 overrun to the end of September exclude the €74 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is the €69 million included in the €74 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I assume that insurance companies have not been billed for the €74 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is the €372 million calculated on a cash basis or an accruals basis?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The figure is more or less the same at approximately €350 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: If the HSE submits a bill, it must wait approximately five months to be paid by an insurance company. In layman's terms, why is €74 million outstanding and how does the HSE propose to address the issue? Given the information provided by the witnesses, the HSE would not be required to make front line cuts if the bills were paid. They stated that front line services would be cut by...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am making a simple point. If the €74 million had been billed-----

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the total budget this year? Is it €15 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The HSE is a huge organisation and we are being told that the administrative and accounting process has led to €74 million in fees due from insurance companies being currently unbilled. How quickly will these be billed? The executive is announcing cuts of €16 million less than that figure. What will be done to expedite the collection of €74 million to allow leverage on...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is going forward. Tell me about this €74 million that has not yet been billed.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I suggest time would be much better used if we stood over consultants and got them to sign those forms. If I ran a business where staff were not sending out invoices in order to get in fees, that business would not function. I am bringing this down to euro and cent. There is €74 million outstanding that has not even been billed and it is work in progress. Consultants have not...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the history of the outstanding claims?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How much of the €74 million is outstanding up to a year?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the rough estimate?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How much would be outstanding for six months?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: There is €8 million outstanding at this stage for over a year that has not even been billed. The patients in question were seen a year ago. How much of the €74 million comes from patients who would have been seen more than six months ago?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Mr. Woods have that split?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Mr. Woods have it with him?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is the practice particular to certain consultants?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am not denying that.

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