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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Mr. Boland not find it alarming that he has an invoice from Bell Airways which could be to anyone? It was not signed off by the financial controller in WIT but by the chair and the president of the institute at the time.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect to Mr. Boland, the facts of the case are that €4,200 of taxpayers’ money was spent on a flight when there were daily flights from Bristol to Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How much has been spent on consultants’ reports to date to look into this matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I thought Deloitte & Touche did the first report and then Grant Thornton was brought in to do a second report.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How many reports did Deloitte & Touche do?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is Grant Thornton doing a further report?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Up to €90,000 has been spent on the two Deloitte & Touche reports. How much has been spent on the Grant Thornton service? How much will the total be?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Just short of €140,000 has been spent on consultants' reports.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect, we are asking Mr. Costello questions here where there was information coming to the Secretary General of the Department of Education and Skills as staff were leaving for home yesterday evening. There was a general press release issued not going to the Comptroller and Auditor General and there were people under the impression that the Committee of Public Accounts would be...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is five years after the flight.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Let me put it another way.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I do not need it. What I want-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: This is very simple. The HEA is meeting Dr. Port. Has the HEA sought meetings with Professor Byrne and with the former chair of WIT? This is straightforward, it is about a couple of invoices. The issue can probably be dealt with in quick fashion. Can we get an assurance here today that the Department and the HEA will pursue this and get clarity on it rather than it running into a...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect, the General Secretary had the documentation. The Comptroller and Auditor General was under the impression that we would have the report prior to the meeting. Effectively, it is a matter of pressing a button on a screen and sending an e-mail with a couple of attachments. The problem is that we get bogged down in process here. As a member of the Committee of Public...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Can I make a quick point on that? The agreement on that was purely in relation to the flight from Waterford to Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It did not relate to the flight from England to Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: To give full clarity,-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: -----the former chairman basically gave an agreement to the flight from Waterford to Dublin. He makes no reference to the flight from Filton in England to Dublin, and the big cost item was the €4,200.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Agreed.

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