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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: So, the witnesses cannot clarify for me whether I am right that it did not have charity status from June last year?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: What did Dr. Smith read in the media?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: The HSE was not aware of that.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: That in itself is extraordinary. What is the HSE's policy on Garda clearance?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: I refer to Garda clearance of workers working for Console and of the CEO.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: I accept that which is why I started off originally asking the question of Ms O'Connor why a decision was not made to call the audit committee. I asked Mr. O'Brien why alarm bells did not ring. As such, he is not answering those questions and is going back into the process. On top of that, what were the national implications arising from the 60 findings for the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: Actually, they are not. I am sorry. There are 60 findings and it states at the bottom that all the findings in the audit have a high rating and many have national implications. What are those implications and how many are there? What has the HSE done about them?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: I think my time is drawing to a close. Were service level agreements in place between Console and the HSE? Was that answered? Did I miss it?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: There were. Under those service level agreements, the HSE was allowed, if it had concerns, to go in and inspect all documents and any premises. Is that right? The HSE had full power to do that under its service level agreement.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: I am not asking this to put the witnesses on the spot; it is to try to understand what has happened. My colleague has just passed me the 2013 grant aid agreement, paragraph 7(5) of which provides that the organisation will permit the executive reasonable access to the organisation's premises and so on and shall permit the executive to carry out inspections of same. I highlight that because...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: I do not accept that it was the HSE's skill and detective work in 2013 that led to this. There were many concerns prior to this and some of them have been highlighted. The witnesses have, not dismissed, but dealt with the woman who wrote the letter, which was nothing to do with governance but had to do with counselling. Then we move forward to the PA and the Department of Health has...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that, but Deputy MacSharry has raised concerns, which I will not repeat, about what he did or did not say when he came back and what the HSE may or may not have asked.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: How could the HSE have been satisfied in 2009, or whichever year it was, with governance when this was a family-run organisation? The HSE said that it was satisfied with governance in 2008 or 2009. How could it have been satisfied with governance at that point?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: There may well have been but did Ms O'Connor check who was sitting on the board, who was the chief executive officer, CEO, and if there was a conflict of interest? Did she check any of that or ask questions about how they were receiving money when this was a charity and they appear to have received payments with different names on it? How did she satisfy herself about that?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: There was an increase in funding in 2013.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: In 2014 when Ms O'Connor was fully aware it went up-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: What did the organisation get in 2015?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: I have two questions and I will make two observations. First, it was helpful that the witnesses came here today and attempted to answer questions. That is welcome, and it is good for society. I have made observations and asked questions. I am sticking with those on the HSE's lack of action before and after the audit. I will not go over it again. I compliment the witnesses on the...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Catherine Connolly: If that is the case, then a very serious issue arises that was touched on by various members and the Comptroller and Auditor General in regard to audited accounts which the HSE relies on but which would appear not to be reliable. That is a very serious issue. Second, with regard to staffing levels, has Mr. O'Brien ever put in a request for additional staff to allow him carry out his...

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