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Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I know he or she does not name it, but the contractor knows the business and that there is no one else.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: A what?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, but does Mr. Kent understand from where my questions are coming?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is commercially sensitive information and Bus Éireann might not want to release it.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will only take it that far so, but are there regions where similar types of service are provided albeit with a variation of 20% or 30% compared with other regions? I am not asking our witnesses to name the regions, but does that happen? It must happen where there is strong competition.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: No. The witnesses are missing my-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am not asking about how Bus Éireann reaches a price. We know what the price is based on, but I have moved beyond that point. Having got its price via the proper procedure, are there regions that consistently have higher prices than other regions with similar routes? I will not ask the witnesses to name them, as they will claim that they might be giving a competitive advantage or...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: It took me a long time just to get one of the witnesses to say that.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: We know why. I just want to know the outcome, that being, the figure. Can Bus Éireann send us information on the variations without identifying the regions? After asking my questions, I still have no sense of the variations in the average price that market conditions dictate in different regions. Some places must be below the average price while others must be above it. If the...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: We have a report before us. I just want to know the variation if the average price per student per mile travelled in one county is X, less than X in another county and more than X in a third. I am not asking the witnesses to disclose contractors or counties, as they might-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am making it clear that we do not want to know the regions. Just give us the range in variations. It could all be in the same county for all I know. I am not asking the witnesses to breach any commercial sensitivity, but we cannot have a notion of whether there is value for money if we cannot even get comparative percentages.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Naturally.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Surely those are at least the minimum everywhere.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: We were told that it was €1,800 in 2015. The witnesses might find my next question to be a weird one, but I am thinking of the youngsters on the buses. What is the longest single trip and what is the most time a student must spend on a bus? What is the longest route?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Some routes are short.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are all showing our age. Deputy Aylward mentioned his time on school buses. When I was on a school bus, I had to be dropped off at school at 8.15 a.m. because the same bus had to do another run.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Department must know the maximum times.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will the Department send us the maximum times and distances individually? It has guidelines. In the interests of safety, a child cannot be on a bus for an hour and a quarter in the morning and the same in the evening. Maybe it does happen.

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