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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: No, we cannot trespass on how it defends its case.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: We raised the issue the day the State Claims Agency was here. We have had two items of correspondence from it in the meantime, I am asking the secretariat to check the two items of correspondence and if it has not answered us on the issues raised around thalidomide, we will go back and ask. It will be in before us again.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is not happening even though it is in place in theory.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will make a general point related to how long things take. Regarding the summit on the catastrophic infants' cases, the agency in its correspondence states, "The Agency only ever becomes involved when the letter of claim is received." By that time, the solicitor has done all the research and all the work and then submits his or her claim. The agency further states, "This has the...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: The committee will examine the Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98 on the provision of school transport. We are joined from the Department of Education and Skills by Mr. Seán Ó Foghlú, Secretary General, Mr. Ned Costello and Mr. Richard Dolan. They are accompanied by representatives of Bus Éireann: Mr. Stephen Kent, CEO, Mr. Tom Delaney and Ms Miriam Flynn....

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Aylward has 20 minutes and Deputy Connolly will have 15 minutes before we get to the ten-minute slots. I ask Deputies to stick to the time limits because we must take into account the business in the Chamber. I will be more strict than I am normally. If there is time for somebody to get in a second time, it is all well and good.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: What does Mr. Kent mean by a double route? Please explain.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: They do two runs in the morning and two in the evening.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Time flies. The Deputy might get back the second time.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: This is your last question.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay. I am moving on to the next Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's question was not about over-allocating. He said that the Department has no method of knowing whether a ticket for a seat that has been allocated to someone is being used. We are not suggesting that the Department should over-allocate. We are saying that if the Department had a system that allowed it to gather evidence of seats not being used, and it transpired after a full...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: No, we are not talking about that at all.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Has the Department looked at this phenomenon?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps it would be possible to solve this problem using the technology that has been mentioned. If the Department has looked at this issue, perhaps it can send us an information note on what it has discovered to help us to understand how it was teased out. Perhaps these issues cannot be known for sure until a way is found to check the pass as each student goes in.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am going on to the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am going on to Deputy Connolly.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Ó Foghlú has said that this has been looked at. The Department must have some documents, having considered the complex issues involved. The Department might share with us the benefits of what it has looked at. I appreciate that difficulties might arise if every person going to school had to present his or her ticket each day. Kids lose their schoolbags, not to mind their...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

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