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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is the auditor speaking now. We are polite politicians. Now the Deputy knows why they fear auditors.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Exactly. Is it agreed to write to the person on the basis that the matter falls within our remit and we are not getting into any of the politics? We are merely getting the facts. Is that okay?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: The next item is No. 1768 B from Mr Ciarán Breen, director, the State Claims Agency, dated 30 November 2018, providing further information requested by the committee regarding medical negligence, open disclosure and CervicalCheck and Thalidomide-related litigation. We held this over from the last day. There is useful information in this correspondence that will feed into our periodic...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is absolutely correct. We have had some engagement with the State Claims Agency but we can see there is work to be done on the costs of the claims, prevention and minimising, what has been done and the lessons learned. That has not been done before in the Oireachtas. I am not saying that we will do a special report, although we might, but we will examine it in 2019.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: For the hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: The State Claims Agency said it would give a report back to the hospital but hospital managers come and go and there is no central learning process. Sometimes the State Claims Agency reports to the hospital. The reports the Deputy mentioned are commissioned centrally sometimes and they do not go to the hospital. There is a gap.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Does the Deputy want the committee to write directly to the HSE on this matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: On a related matter, the committee wrote to Portlaoise Hospital for a breakdown of the review there. We told them it cost €399,000 and they wrote back saying it was €399,000. We formally asked for that breakdown some weeks ago and will ensure that we get it in due course. The next item of correspondence, No. 1754, is one held over from last week when we discussed it...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: We might discuss that in a few minutes when we deal with our work programme. We have not made any progress. Correspondence No. 1775 B is from Dr. Des Fitzgerald, President, University of Limerick, dated 4 December 2018 providing additional information requested by the committee in relation to the steps taken by the University of Limerick to engage with three specific members or former...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: The whistleblower issue and the Comptroller and Auditor General's report are separate. We will come to the work programme in a few minutes. We will hold that over until then but we do want to write back to make sure the people involved have been notified. The next item is No. 1775 B from Dr. Des Fitzgerald, President of the University of Limerick, UL, dated 4 December 2018, providing...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: Pardon?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: They are now available online. The links have been included with this correspondence. If somebody calls up the correspondence in electronic format, he or she will get direct links to each of the ETBs. That is useful and we will publish it so that anybody who wants access to those records can use the website of this committee to follow those links. The item of correspondence is No. 1779 B...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I understand everything that was said. I have also been speaking to some of the ladies directly involved. For public information, I want to touch on a few points in the letter. It is an extensive letter with very detailed information. We welcome the information provided. It is the first time anybody will have seen this level of information on this matter. I do want to make some points...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will move on. The court case concerns the fact that some people want their slides released but not in accordance with the HSE protocol. I think the essence of the case is not that people cannot get their slides. The HSE states that slides should be issued according to this protocol. People are saying they want their slides but not through the protocol. Deputy Catherine Murphy may...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: I think the HSE acknowledges on a couple of occasions the unsatisfactory length of time it is taking. It does put its hands up and does not disguise this. In its own way it is important we release this letter today because many people are looking for it and there is significant information in it. Our discussion teasing out the issues here is probably helpful to the process. I ask the HSE...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is criminal.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: They probably get legal aid.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Dec 2018)

Seán Fleming: The State has to pay that.

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