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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Tusla must have kept records for 2017.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Ms Creamer cannot provide the information I requested on 21 November.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Ultimately, the responsibility of Tusla is to safeguard. Mr. Lee's role is in risk and quality assessment. It has been evident for a long time that Scouting Ireland did not have a proper safeguarding officer in place and this was clear from an earlier appearance by the organisation in May or June of last year. What did Tusla do when it received that information, which was in the public domain?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Can Mr. Lee explain the statement that the CSSCU had been engaged with Scouting Ireland since 27 November 2018, which culminated in the child safeguarding statement being deemed compliant on 13 February 2018. I do not understand the statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I understand that the statement of intent was compliant. Is Scouting Ireland compliant in terms of child safeguarding as of today?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: The statement is one thing-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: If I hear Mr. Smyth correctly, the statement of intent is compliant but it is not wholly compliant in terms of delivery.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Timelines are missing from the statement and action plan. I read the presentation before our guests arrived. The only question a professional would have of Tusla, if he or she could sit here and ask it, would be whether Scouting Ireland was compliant or not compliant. I understand that everybody is working on the statement of intent but I do not see any timelines. The only date contained...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: The advertisement had gone into the paper the day before our previous meeting with Scouting Ireland. It is unfortunate that we are having another meeting now but the safeguarding officer has still not been appointed. I accept that, following all the furore about this, it would have been difficult to recruit such a person. I would welcome an announcement on that tomorrow. I am also...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I have one last brief question for Mr. Smyth about his conclusion. Perhaps Mr. Smyth could expand a little on that. Mr. Smyth said: "It was and remains Tusla's intention that the matters raised with Scouting Ireland as part of this process will be dealt with between both organisations to ensure improvements to policies, procedures and practice will be made." What is the role of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: The Department of Children and Youth Affairs uses taxpayers' money and we need to ensure it is being well spent and is going to organisations that are compliant and that achieve the policies and procedures as set out by the legislation. The watchdog for the legislation and the children is Tusla. I would have thought that the Department of Children and Youth Affairs is very much part of that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Does Mr. Smyth think that if there was more communication between the Department of Children and Youth Affairs and Scouting Ireland - who are all part of this - then perhaps what happened two weeks ago could have been avoided?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I thank the witnesses for attending. The backdrop of this is the Topical Issue matter that Deputy Sherlock and I tabled. We tabled that in good faith to get an update on where we were after last November. I had a concern last November following the question I asked about how many files had gone to the Director of Public Prosecutions, DPP, from Scouting Ireland. With the height of respect,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I never mentioned child sex abuse with regard to those files, so we are clear.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Not prosecutions but files that went to the DPP.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: My question last November was about how many calls were made to Scouting Ireland for An Garda Síochána or Tusla to investigate and whether they ended up with the DPP. How much communication has there been since 2012 that is current? My understanding is that Scouting Ireland's work goes up to a certain point. What has happened since the end of those files in 2012? Do the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Mr. Elliott was then hired and we now know that what he identified as eight reds is more than eight. There are 324 situations, are there not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I hope Mr. Elliott does not mind me asking this question, and correct me if I am wrong, but is the fact that there was not a designated safeguarding officer in place from 2017 the reason a spotlight of concern has been shone from the Department of Children and Youth Affairs, DCYA, which is a main funder, and Tusla?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: If you do not mind-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: For the benefit of all the viewers watching this meeting, when I ask these questions it is not a criticism of any of the scouters or the people working on the ground who do remarkable work. It is important that is said repeatedly but we have to tease out the reason there is a spotlight on Scouting Ireland, which does amazing work as do its leaders throughout the country, and try to prevent...

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