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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: We are not talking about some movement; we are talking about getting to zero in a plan. I do not think it is possible to get to zero because there will always be some degree of human error.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I am talking about an objective we all want to achieve, which is a better system in which people can have faith. We should have a system that collects the revenue that should be collected for the State and imposes the penalty on the individuals for the law they have broken. However, we need to see how we get there or else we could be here in 12 months still with 2,000 statute-barred cases...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: While I take that point, the great thing about the Comptroller and Auditor General's report is that it is so detailed and has accurate numbers so that we could see that, for example, 3,000 cases could not be pursued owing to the late entry of data. We could then measure against that 3,000 so that if a year later it was only at 2,000 we might be wondering why it is not at zero and the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I am not just talking about the companies; I am talking about the different areas of the report that were highlighted.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I am talking about the 3,000 cases that were not pursued due to late entry of data, the 92,000 cases that were struck out because no summons was issued - I am talking about every aspect.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Absolutely, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I want to be clear. I am talking about the totality of what the Commissioner will be reporting back to the Minister in the future in how we improve this system as a whole and I have been giving specific examples. For example with the 11% for the summonses not issued, a fixed-notice fine was issued but no fine paid and no court summons so no court hearing. The Commissioner could set a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank the Chair. Let us say for a moment that it is a business process and we want to get to 0%. We know we cannot get there in two months because that is unrealistic, but should there be a plan in place stating that we hope to achieve as close to 0% as possible in the case of this system?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: That plan is being-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: In terms of who then would be responsible for seeing that the plan is implemented, does it fall to the assistant commissioner?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I want to come in then on that issue of the summonses, if I may. Most of it has been addressed. The Comptroller and Auditor General's report refers to 92,650 cases struck out because there was no summons issued but there was a court date. Who has issued the summons in that instance? Is it the garda who noted the offence and reported it? He is then responsible for issuing the summons.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: When a summons is issued then, is it issued by registered post or how is the receipt of the summons then known?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Is it by registered post? Do the Garda Síochána or the Courts Service get a receipt that the summons has been received?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I am sorry, I do not understand. An individual goes-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: If I am stopped for, say, not having the NCT displayed and I am summonsed to court, a person should come and give me a document. Is that how it is meant to work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Is the garda then notified that the person received the document?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Sorry, the garda gets the summons but how does the individual who has been summonsed to court get the summons?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: If no summons has been issued, why is a court date set?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I am sorry, there might be some confusion here on my part. If we are talking about over 92,000 cases being struck out and no court hearing happening, and the issue given was no summons,-----

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