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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Finance Accounts 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 1 – Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2022
Chapter 2 – Reporting Ireland’s EU Transactions
Chapter 24 – Performance of the Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
Chapter 25 – Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I completely understand that there could be a specialist area that needs attention. It is the residual that I was particularly asking about. On the PAS system, Mr. Hogan is saying that direct advertising was better. Is it quicker?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Finance Accounts 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 1 – Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2022
Chapter 2 – Reporting Ireland’s EU Transactions
Chapter 24 – Performance of the Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
Chapter 25 – Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Is the Department of Finance the only Department doing that directly?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Finance Accounts 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 1 – Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2022
Chapter 2 – Reporting Ireland’s EU Transactions
Chapter 24 – Performance of the Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
Chapter 25 – Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Is the PAS system not working then?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Finance Accounts 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 1 – Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2022
Chapter 2 – Reporting Ireland’s EU Transactions
Chapter 24 – Performance of the Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
Chapter 25 – Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Hogan spoke about the Department of Finance. Would it not have been absolutely obvious that the jobs that were available or that were to be advertised would have been with the Department of Finance?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Where there is a winding up and a nil balance and the Comptroller and Auditor General has a responsibility to audit, who pays the audit fees and are there other residual costs?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Are there many of these? If legislation is needed, I presume it can deal with a multiplicity of them. We will not need individual Bills.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: To tidy that up.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, because it comes up routinely. We have expectations that oversight bodies can do the job. They cannot do the job if they are challenged by not having the resources to do it. I have asked numerous parliamentary questions about the length of time investigations take. It is not unusual to be told in the reply that one is taking five or six years. Even in cases I would expect to be...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Perhaps we could include it when the Department of Justice is before the committee or perhaps we could combine the two. There is a cost to be paid if these organisations do not function.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Hullabaloo is an understatement.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We had a session this morning that was very routine. I have made the case on a couple of occasions that we should be looking where there is an obvious failure we can interrogate. We are looking for value for money. Some gardaí may well have a case against them being looked at by the ombudsman that does not progress to any kind of sanction and they are not free to work because of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: You could have somebody who is rightly being investigated but whose investigation has been going on for years. Justice delayed is justice denied. That goes for members of the Garda as much as anybody else. In the interim, we should write to the Department of Justice and express our serious concerns about the resourcing issue concerning GSOC and the length of time it takes to deal with...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That could be a real powder keg.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: However, if someone is on secondment, the Commissioner will be responsible for taking them back from secondment-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: -----and may well decide whom he can send, which is another matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Do we agree to write as well?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There is a value for money aspect as well in terms of the wider understanding of value for money.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The pension fund?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Can I ask about that? Reference is made continually to the cost of the banks – €64 billion – as if it were compartmentalised. Owing to the crash, Government borrowing went sky high, not for the banks but for the purpose of meeting-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Nov 2023)

Catherine Murphy: -----the deficit related to unemployment and all the things that happened as a consequence of the crash. Has there ever been a net amount-----

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