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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What Mr. McFeely has told us is appalling. In 2000, approximately €30,000 was incurred in expenditure. The previous president adhered to the guidelines. A new president was appointed. Mr. McFeely was not satisfied with the documentation. The Deloitte report has revealed that much of that documentation was not backed up. The expenditure was signed off on by another member of...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: And that the money will be recovered.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Why did Mr. McFeely feel he was not in a position in 2001, when Professor Byrne commenced his position as president of the institute, to go to the chairman of the board of governors to voice his concerns?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Why?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Am I correct that Mr. McFeely refused to sign the expense claims?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Professor Byrne then got another member of staff to sign them. Is Mr. McFeely at liberty to name that member of staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It was a senior member of staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The expense claims were signed off on by the same person in all the years concerned.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Okay. Many of the travel expense claims were unvouched and there were a lack of invoices in that regard.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Did situations arise whereby subsistence claims were submitted at the same time as the institute was incurring expenditure directly in respect of hotel accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: In hindsight, what would Mr. McFeely have done differently?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I accept that. I have a final question for the witness from DCU. A recurring issue of concern is that of the subsidiary companies. The WIT falls into this category also. Subsidiary companies appear to be funded by the colleges, yet that funding is not incorporated into their accounts. I note also that in the case of WIT in particular, the former president was on the board of its...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Okay. That would not have been the case with WIT.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: In regard to WIT, Professor Byrne was a member of the board of the subsidiary company, DTS. Did he receive a salary and expenses from that company?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What level of funding would have been put into this particular subsidiary company by WIT down through the years?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Where did the profits earned by that company go?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I will finish up on this point, which I cannot emphasise enough. WIT needs to get to the bottom of this matter. It needs to be made public in order that the academic reputation of WIT is restored. I welcome that Mr. McFeely is here today, which brought clarity to the situation. What happened during the ten year period in question is unbelievable. It should never have happened and must be...

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