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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: For example, the transport Vote will deal with transport.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: As regards the public spending code, some of that came up this morning-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: -----as regards, say, ceramic hand basins as opposed to stainless steel hand basins and-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That is fine. It is just that I would have thought that the public spending code is quite important for the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform. In fact, we are engrossed in something in my constituency involving the purchase of land around Castletown House. The public spending code comes into that and, obviously, it is there for very good...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. If we are to make changes, recommendations that will come from this committee, it would be quite important from that point of view, even in reminding the Department, because there is no doubt with the children's hospital that the type of contract - I think this has been accepted - was a major contributor to the delays to and the cost of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: When we deal with the HSE we have to really cut it down to certain aspects because we just get buried in it otherwise.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The HSE addressed some of that last week. It was clear that it was working to a programme. Obviously, the community health organisation, CHO, areas differ from the hospital groups. One of the key issues with Sláintecare is the regionalisation, and the responsibility then also has to be taken at that level for the budgets. That is critically important.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I am trying to visualise. Regionalising and taking responsibility for the budget at that level is really important. We do not want a postcode lottery at the end of it. How is that accounted for? Will there be a difference? Each of those regions will have to be audited separately.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, so we need to find out how they will be set up, and to see how they will be audited.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Would Mr. McCarthy's function then change with regard to the HSE, in terms of sub-audits or anything like that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I think we still have to hold on to a space. We have until the end of the year to deal with finalising RTÉ. I am not mad about the idea of having it in and out unless there is a purpose to it but we are expecting to get that McCann FitzGerald report. We are looking for that document but we have not had a response.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. I am sorry I missed that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: No, I am talking about the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I am talking about the document that we looked for regarding the note that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Exactly. I do not think we should fill the slots. We should hold onto a slot because we have a time limit on this, and at least-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We have to.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We have until the end of the year, and then after that we write the report. We cannot be looking at going into the new year. That is the reason I am saying we should at least have a slot there to finalise matters, if it is necessary. If we can do it without having another hearing, that would mean we would have to look at what comes back to us with regard to that report. Is it going to be...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It might not be a full session. It might be an hour.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. I am inclined to think that we should be looking at ones where there was not a clear audit opinion, and where there was an issue. They are the ones that should really be our primary focus. They involve the areas in the report where there are stand-out issues.

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