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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Mr. Grassick will agree that the allegations that have been made and the consistent innuendo are damaging to his sector.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Does Mr. Grassick agree with one member who has spoken about being guilty until proven innocent? I would rephrase it as until we can provide clear and transparent evidence that robust regulatory monitoring and enforcement is taking place, some of the secrecy that pertains in the industry is adding to the damage and is permitting some of those so-called rumours to permeate. People who are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: I was looking for comment. I will rephrase it. Would it be better, in order to counter those allegations and any rumours that may be there, if the sector was more open in terms of being more visible regarding how the regulatory body was appointed, how it was structured, how it divulged its activities and its accounts, and if all other elements of the sector were to do the same?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: I fear that if the structures are not changed, the sector could be damaged in the long term. I thank our guests.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: I thank the witnesses for returning. I want to pick up where I left off with the trainers on the BBC "Panorama" documentary that is due to be broadcast next Monday. It is one of those things that those of us who hold horse racing in high esteem are concerned to see. It is expected to focus on horses that were euthanised or in some cases ended up in the food chain. Irish trainers are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Is Mr. Kavanagh aware of whether the practices that I outlined in the blurb happen in Ireland?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: What would generally happen to an injured horse?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: What would happen to an injured racehorse that does not need to be put down?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Would it be possible for any of them to end up in the food chain?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: If a horse was ever treated with Bute, could it end up in the food chain?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Okay. I will move on to the IHRB. I presume Mr. Egan is with us again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Since we met last week, once again I have been inundated with phone calls, emails and lots of questions. I am sure it has been the same for other members. The overarching view is that there is a lack of transparency within the IHRB, which is leading to a lack of credibility generally. Following on from our discussions last week and the IHRB's own deliberations, does Mr. Egan have any...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Could I ask what Mr. Egan's salary is?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: He just said I could ask him any question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Mr. Egan will agree that is not the hallmark of transparency. In fairness to Mr. Kavanagh, we know what his salary is. We know the salary of every elected representative at this meeting. We know the salary of everybody who earns more than €100,000 of public money. I do not want to personalise it. This is an issue for all senior staff within the IHRB. We do not know how much they earn.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Why would that derogation have been sought or given?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: I understand that people could be identified, but if somebody is a CEO of a publicly funded body, why would that information not be publicly available?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: Is the pay that bad?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: I do not mean to be facetious. I ask because the IHRB receives €9 million of funding that essentially comes from the taxpayer. If we are talking about ensuring transparency and accountability then that needs to go across the whole raft. I will finish on this because we are very tight for time. It was mentioned by the trainers earlier that there has been a notable increase in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Matt Carthy: To clarify, Dr. Hillyer is saying the testimony from the Irish Racehorse Trainers Association was incorrect in that regard about the last couple of months.

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