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Committee on Public Petitions: Amendment of the Child Care Act 1991: Engagement with the Alliance of Birth Mothers Campaigning for Justice (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: I thank Dr. Markey for his in-depth answer. There is always a worry that privatisation is for profit and not for a duty of care, and this seems to be across a lot of Departments. I will let Deputy McGrath back in again.

Committee on Public Petitions: Amendment of the Child Care Act 1991: Engagement with the Alliance of Birth Mothers Campaigning for Justice (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: If Ms Kavanagh does not mind, I am conscious of time. As we say in Cork, the wealth of knowledge is there. The witnesses have been very definitive and I thank them for that. I am just conscious of time. Does Deputy Durkan want to come in on anything specific?

Committee on Public Petitions: Amendment of the Child Care Act 1991: Engagement with the Alliance of Birth Mothers Campaigning for Justice (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: Ms Kavanagh read out a considerable number of news headlines when making her opening statement. Sometimes journalists get a bit of a bashing. One of the witnesses said it is about getting to the truth and having accountability and transparency. I have said many times at committee meetings that what I find most difficult to do in this country is help people to tell the truth, because that...

Committee on Public Petitions: Amendment of the Child Care Act 1991: Engagement with the Alliance of Birth Mothers Campaigning for Justice (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: I thank Dr. Markey for his fairness and bluntness. This arises with the Mental Health Commission and in respect of other issues. We seem to have gone around in a circle to the stage at which we need to claw back our accountability and responsibility, but there also have to be extremely strong repercussions. People need a major slap for doing this stuff. I cannot understand what is...

Committee on Public Petitions: Amendment of the Child Care Act 1991: Engagement with the Alliance of Birth Mothers Campaigning for Justice (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: I have no fear that if this committee is still going after the next election, the witnesses will certainly be back again.

Committee on Public Petitions: Amendment of the Child Care Act 1991: Engagement with the Alliance of Birth Mothers Campaigning for Justice (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: We will consider the next steps. We are aware that there are legislative changes that can be made. Our heads will be working at 100 mph on this. I thank the witnesses very much for coming today. It was certainly an eye-opener and a wonderful opportunity to put the information on the table. I hope the members of the press who are here listening today will carry the story. I will now...

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: We have three petitions for consideration today. The first is No. P00036/21, which relates to reform of the insurance for thatched heritage buildings and which is from Ms Kate McNelis. It is recommended that: we publish the responses from the Minister of State at the Department of Finance with responsibility for financial services, credit unions and insurance and the CEO of Insurance...

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: The second petition for consideration is No. P00006/22, entitled "Bye/By Elections in Ireland may comply with legislation however they do not comply with the Constitution”. The petition is from Mr. John O'Malley. In light of the response from the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage to the effect that its position has not changed since it sent its previous...

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: No. P00008/24 relates to employment equality and is from Mr. John O’Malley. It is recommended that the committee we publish the response from Department of Agriculture Food and the Marine and that the correspondence from the Department of Agriculture Food and the Marine be forwarded to the petitioner for comment within 14 days. Do members have any views on this or is this agreed?

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (13 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: That concludes our consideration of public petitions for this afternoon. I invite members of the public to submit petitions via our online portal, which is available at petitions.oireachtas.ie. A petition may be addressed to the Houses of the Oireachtas on a matter of general public concern or interest or an issue of public policy. Do members wish to raise any other concerns?

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: I thank the witnesses. I was listening to them both. It is bureaucracy personified and that is being very polite. I am normally relaxed on the more profane language but this is plain black and white. I see where the frustration is coming from. The excuses are not based on fact. They are based on the assumption that we do not know, maybe there are bodies there or maybe there are not but...

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: Yes, absolutely. Bureaucracy. I cannot understand why it has to go to the Taoiseach. Is there not a role for the county council in this? As they said, and as I am well aware, they have the backing of the county council and others. The fact we have to be in here discussing this is desperate. According to the OPW: Kilmainham Gaol is a National Monument and an iconic and much respected...

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: Especially when there are managers. We come across it at these committees and in other organisations. People have been appointed into a position of decision making. They have the backing of the families, which is the most important part of it. However, the State has decided that it is not going to do it. I do not know how the witnesses can keep calm because I am very frustrated, and...

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: I suggest that as a committee, we should write to the Taoiseach and seek to get involved here. Surely there has to be a common-sense approach but unfortunately-----

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: Yes. In this "big house", there is a big, hollow gap of common sense. It does not happen too often here and that is really frustrating. I could be banging doors on this and asking why is it so difficult to do the right thing and why is it so extremely difficult and frustrating to assist with doing the right thing. Given that the members of the National Graves Association are volunteers...

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: It was stated that the then Minister of State's response was very wishy-washy. It stated that requests such as this are of a very sensitive and delicate nature. It does not say to who. It goes on to say that there are a number of matters to consider, both in terms of the significant practicalities involved and the ethical issues. What practicalities? It does not say. What ethical...

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: I second that.

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: Shortly.

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: I am happy. The people who have watched us from the committee room are the families. We must do our job.

Committee on Public Petitions: Invincibles Reinterment Campaign: National Graves Association (20 Jun 2024)

Pat Buckley: Yes.

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