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Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Office of Public Works (21 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: 190. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the position regarding the OPW commissioned report on the redevelopment of Clonmacnoise monastic site. [50623/23]

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Office of Public Works (21 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: 191. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if he will request that the OPW include the principles of Just Transition and wider community benefit when planning the redevelopment of the Clonmacnoise monastic site (details supplied). [50624/23]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Budget 2024, Official Development Assistance, COP28 and Ongoing Humanitarian Situations: Dóchas (21 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I thank the Chair for this opportunity. I am not a normal member of the committee, but I wished to avail of this chance. I will take a slightly different and more zoomed-out focus than previous contributors, recognising what Ms Finnan described as the structural drivers behind all crises. While individual crises will always dominate the news headlines, and rightly so – take Gaza,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Budget 2024, Official Development Assistance, COP28 and Ongoing Humanitarian Situations: Dóchas (21 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: How we fill the bucket is one part of the equation, but how people draw from it will be critical. Ms Curran mentioned Pakistan, for example. Under some metrics, Pakistan might not be considered a least-developed country. It is certainly not considered a small island developing state. I cannot remember who it was, but someone said that a loss and damage facility that did not include...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Budget 2024, Official Development Assistance, COP28 and Ongoing Humanitarian Situations: Dóchas (21 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Does Ms Curran have an opinion on the World Bank being the keyholder for this fund? Is that just because we need to get a fund up and going, so we use the facilities that are there?

Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2023: Second Stage (23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I broadly welcome the provisions that are set out in this Bill. The social protection committee recently had a briefing from the Parliamentary Budget Office and it confirmed to me what I think is most important. The first thing I look for in any budget is if it is progressive. The Parliamentary Budget Office brought us through the various provisions and payments contained in the Bill,...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I join with my colleagues in wishing the C and AG a happy birthday on the 100th anniversary of the establishment of his office. I also congratulate Dr. O'Reardon on his recent appointment. My first question is for the C and AG. I want an overview of the funding for the Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science and the higher education sector. Vote 45...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Do they not have access to that type of funding at all?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I would be more concerned about direct research funding from outside institutions. I put the same question to Dr. O'Reardon. The State provides a significant proportion of funding for the higher education institutions but there is money that comes from elsewhere and, with money, values are very often attached. Is Dr. O'Reardon happy that his Department has adequate oversight of where the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I do not want to get into some of the examples and have made a general point.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: We are obliged, when the State puts so much money into a sector, and there is other money, to know that our money is being spent in a way that is consistent with our values.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I accept that they are autonomous institutions but they derive a lot of funding from the State.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I will not dwell on the matter and have my eye on the clock.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I want to ask a quick question on the pension outturn. The Estimate provided €197 million and the outturn was €341 million, which is quite a differential. Of all of the costs that an institution might incur, I would have thought that pension costs would be among the most predictable so why is there such a variation?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: My question was not really on the level of expenditure incurred. I asked about the difference between the Estimate and the outturn. That is my concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I want to touch on a couple of issues concerning the NTF. We are heading towards €1.5 billion of an accumulation by the end of this year. Is that correct? One of the three sources of income is the levy on PRSI. There is massive frustration among employers who pay in this money. One of the frustrations and a real challenge in the current workforce is employee retention. These...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: The figure of 3% is not bad out there in the market in terms of attracting interest. It was a better number than I was expecting. When one looks at the amount of money that has remained on deposit over the last, let us say, three years, when the rate of inflation has been so high, has the Department an estimation in real terms of how much that fund has depreciated by sitting there, against...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I would be interested in having some sort of rough calculation on that because if one maps it over a figure of over €1 billion, it essentially means that by allowing it to sit there, we are losing money. We are bleeding taxpayers' money through the differential between the interest rate. I am aware of the clock. On the European Social Fund, ESF, we got nothing in 2022. In the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I will state my concerns in simplistic terms. My concern is that because we are not spending the NTF, we did not manage to draw down the ESF. Is there anything to that? As I was reading through it and trying to understand, I asked myself the question, is it because we did not adequately spend the National Training Fund? There is the matching allocation here. Is that the issue with ESF or not?

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