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Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Schools Building Projects (5 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: To ask the Minister for Education and Skills if funding has been allocated for the provision of a new school (details supplied) in County Cork; if a site has been acquired; when building will commence; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [54677/12]

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: I welcome Ms Tallon. I will concentrate for the most part on housing. Can Ms Tallon indicate the current number of individuals on the social housing lists as of 2012 versus those on them for past few years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: As of when?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: There are no more up to date figures that those.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: How is that trending compared to the previous three years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: The Department's figure for housing finances or initiatives is €742 million for 2011. Can Ms Tallon give a rough breakdown of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: I have a figure of €742 million for the different housing initiatives; €742 million was spent under the Vote on housing initiatives.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Of that €319 million, can Ms Tallon break that down further, if possible, and by that I mean the amount for new builds versus schemes such as RAS? I am trying to ascertain the percentage of that €319 million, in particular, that was being spent on the different schemes and how that is trending and has been trending for the past three or four years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Has Ms Tallon any idea of the figures?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: There has almost been a doubling in the three years to which Ms Tallon referred. The figures are €98,000 versus €56,000. We are trending, as any Deputy or councillor is aware, towards the RAS scheme and social leasing schemes. The Department invested an additional €20 million compared to last year in this particular area. How successful is the Department with regard...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: I understand that. The figures bear that out, but I am just trying to figure out whether the Department is housing as many people as it was.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: The affordable schemes were discontinued in 2010. Could the Secretary General give me an idea on how many units are outstanding and what the Department is planning to do with those units? By that I mean, either selling the houses or integrating them into social housing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: By 2011?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Was that through the Housing Finance Agency?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Does the Department leave it up to the local authority to determine whether they are sold or used for a particular purpose?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Does the Department not have a policy per se? Does it rely on local authorities to determine how they use the affordable housing stock?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Does the Department have an oversight role?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: What about the 700 houses that were sold? Did local authorities inform the Department that they intended to sell some of those houses and give a good reason for their sale?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 16 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(6 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: How much is owed to the Housing Finance Agency, HFA, by local authorities in respect of land acquisition for social and affordable housing?

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