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Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I told you at the outset that we have asked the medics to do everything.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: Medicine has been doing that in the interim 21 years.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: We have wonderful standards. They are the best. Doctors, nurses, midwives and medical attendants do their very best. Let us not make them overly neurotic about law and what lawyers would like them to do in lawyers' language instead of caring for people and taking necessary, courageous risks. As I said to the Fine Gael parliamentary party meeting, my father would not have wanted clarity...

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: Whatever society needs to do to prevent it.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I know orphans who were the product of a conception through rape. They certainly do not want to think that their lives might have been snuffed out. I know a couple of them. It is shocking that women have had the experience and consequential emotional effects travelling through their lives and to their husbands, partners and children. We cannot repeat this enough. We must understand it....

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: It is supposed to be protective, not restrictive.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: To examine the risk of suicide.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I did not say it. The author said it.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I remind the Ministers that the dilemma for the doctors, the psychiatrists and the obstetricians was the repugnant one posed by the fact that if a mother refuses treatments, the law says that a medical procedure is lawful. Jim Sheehan, who founded the Blackrock Clinic, the Hermitage and Galway Clinic, said, "Peter, you are to use the words 'kill the baby' ". We have heard an awful lot about...

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I support Deputy Tóibín's two amendments on the basis that they provide an objective yardstick or benchmark. Medical guidelines in practice have served the country well. To decouple from that at this stage would probably be unwise.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I am not sure I understand this issue properly. If in the situation envisaged in section 9 there has been a joint agreement or certification by a psychiatrist and an obstetrician that there will be a medical procedure to terminate the pregnancy to avoid the risk of suicide as a last resort and the gestation of the baby is 11 or 12 weeks at that stage, it certainly does not have any chance of...

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I can understand now the repugnant dilemma about which the psychiatrists and obstetricians were talking.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I am not clear on what "as far as practicable" means in the various situations that could arise.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: This is a situation involving a clinician, not a legal one.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: It is not clear to me.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: That is true, but I am a citizen.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I would like to thank Deputies Shortall, Tóibín, Creighton and Kirk for putting forward these meaningful amendments and seconding them. We must make an effort to see the meaningfulness of what are otherwise just remote sentences, statistics or hypotheses, because this issue will affect real lives. As Deputy Kirk said, the vista of late-term abortion and the death, destruction or...

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I support amendments Nos. 22, 25 and 27, in particular. I remind the Minister about the repugnant dilemma which the psychiatrists and obstetricians stated will arise where they will be obliged to deal with a woman who, in the context of section 9, is suicidal and who has been pregnant for fewer than 12 weeks, more than 12 weeks or up to 20 weeks. If the woman has been pregnant for fewer...

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I was referring to section 9, not section 7.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2013)

Peter Mathews: I agree with Deputy Shortall. Section 20(1) gives the opportunity to have more, fuller and clearer information than section 20(4).

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