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Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Impact of Covid-19: Education – Return to School and School Transport (Resumed) (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: Expectations are different things.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Impact of Covid-19: Education – Return to School and School Transport (Resumed) (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Mr. Ó Foghlú for that clarification. If I am correct in my understanding of what was said to Deputy Costello earlier, it is enrolment at a particular time that determines the number of teachers. That is an acute issue in smaller schools. It is not how many children are in the school at the beginning of September that counts, but the number that were enrolled previously....

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Impact of Covid-19: Education – Return to School and School Transport (Resumed) (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: That is fine.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Impact of Covid-19: Education – Return to School and School Transport (Resumed) (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: There is the "cannot" aspect, but will some flexibility be demonstrated if parents decide it is borderline whether their child will go to school in September or wait for another 12 months?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Impact of Covid-19: Education – Return to School and School Transport (Resumed) (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: If the student is enrolled and subsequently does not go to school in September, the staffing ratios are effectively set at this stage.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Impact of Covid-19: Education – Return to School and School Transport (Resumed) (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: Is the number of teachers every school will have in September next already set, regardless of whether parents send their children or whether they decide to hold them back for a year?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: We will hear an update on congregated settings, looking in particular at meat plants. I welcome to the Dáil Chamber Ms Edel McGinley, director, and Ms Brid McKeown, workplace relations co-ordinator, of Migrant Rights Centre Ireland. I wish to advise the witnesses that by virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Ms McKeown.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Ms McGinley. The first speaker is from Fine Gael. Is Deputy Colm Burke taking five minutes or ten?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: That is a reasonable suggestion. I think some explanations were given in the Chamber but not in this committee.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: I accept Deputy Burke's suggestion. It is a very good one.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: I have one follow-up question. We received very helpful submissions from ICTU and from the Independent Workers Union on the issue of the varying reactions at various times in various meat plants. The Independent Workers Union stated: ...in one meat plant, on the first day of lockdown, the doors to the women’s locker rooms and toilets were bolted open to the wall without prior...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: You did not come across anybody who had encountered this particular practice or any practice like it?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Ms McKeown. Deputy Devlin for Fianna Fáil has ten minutes.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: Does Ms McGinley wish to come back in on any of the points Deputy Devlin made?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: Ms McGinley suggested that sectoral permits might improve the situation. However, farmers typically complain that there is very little variance in how they are treated between one meat plant and another. Is there a great variance in how workers are treated across meat plants, in Ms McGinley's experience?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: I appreciate the general advantage of sectoral employment permits in all areas, but how would it benefit individual workers in meat plants? Are they not being left with a choice of going from the frying pan into the fire if they leave one employer and go to another?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: Certainly, we will consider that.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: I agree with the Deputy on the utility of a further meeting. It is, of course, in the hands of the Business Committee. The Deputy's party has a representative on that.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Meat Plants (10 Jul 2020)

Michael McNamara: Very good. The next speaker is from the Labour Party, Deputy Duncan Smith.

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