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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: A partial replacement.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The CSO was relying on Benefacts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We must gather the information we got since we started looking at this issue. We got a reply from the CSO. That was more in relation to EUROSTAT. If I remember correctly, the CSO stated the information could be used for a year or two but then would go out of date. I think that was the interpretation of it. However, there are others who would have used the facility. It is a question of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Grand.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I really only want to get the information as to what would make the show break even. I have no problem with innovation. It would be great if there were additional sources of funding. I do not want to labour the point but must ask how many tickets would need to be sold to break even. That is fairly basic information. Maybe we could ask how the costs would be covered.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There are a few aspects to it. The first paragraph states fit-out is also at an advanced stage in all parts of the hospital and that orders have been placed for all specialist material or medical equipment that is to be integrated into the building. One reason this matter is important is that we need to know whether there are delays or logistics issues. The March 2024 opening will very...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, and the one above.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That second column relates to the first.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: All right. Maybe that is the time to use this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: You can have a figure there and it is very large, but then you can have, for instance, that third one down, which is the one the Cathaoirleach referenced. It is hard to make sense of what the figure on the first line is and how that relates to the second, and the subsequent figures. This will be quite useful to us when we meet them.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Is it those represented by the figure on the second line of the table, the "Substantiated Claims Issued for Determination", that are in conciliation and arbitration or is it the ones below that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That is critically important-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: -----because time is money.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is six months or something, is it not?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: They are telling us here that the contractor told them, but that is not agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We need to get back to the work programme and picking out a particular item. This is probably a policy area.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is part of Sláintecare and it is to improve accountability whereby it is not so centralised. Part of the problem with the HSE is that it has been so centralised. The HSE could come before the committee every week. We have to select carefully. I agree with the Chair that there should be something in addition.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I presume this is captured in the accounts where we were buying in services.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It seems like reasonably good issue to deal with. Perhaps we need to discuss it a little bit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: This obviously has merit. We cannot stray into issues that are more properly matters for the health committee with regard to how something is structured. There is probably enough information in some of the accounts to look at this, in order to consider the evidence and see what happened.

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