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Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Mr. Ó Foghlú said the vast majority of these allowances are pensionable.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Why is it that in some Departments many of the allowances are not pensionable but in the Department of Education and Skills they would be?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Again, to put it in a historical context, how does this list arise? What is the process? Is it senior officials dealing with the unions in many cases? What is the typical process with regard to the origin of these allowances? Is it done by ministerial order or legislation? How have these arisen since the foundation of the State? Was it someone within the Department dealing with the...

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: I understand Mr. Burke's point. I disagree. It is a recipe for disaster. In terms of any deviation from his core purpose with regard to work there is an avenue that is acted upon by a union, in some cases by a particular VEC, to start negotiations with the Department to seek an additional payment or allowance. That is how it appears to me. I understand Mr. Burke's point but I disagree...

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: In England and Wales, the average salary of a prison officer is approximately £28,000. What is the average salary of a prison officer here?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Does that include pensionable allowances?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: It is approximately 35% on top of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: The average would be quite a bit above that in England or Wales if one adds that in.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Why is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: We are not comparing like with like. I understand that. That is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Would Mr. Donnellan say the bulk of the difference in pay is in the area of allowances?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: I would like to ask about the rent allowance. The figure is €4,017, but not for new entrants. Will Mr. Donnellan explain the origins of that and how it developed over the years? When was the decision made not to give the allowance to new entrants into the Irish Prison Service?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Going through this material is quite interesting. The one word that pops up every now and then is "relativities". Is that one of the allowances that has been borrowed from other services?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: When did the Department decide not to apply it to new entrants? When did that come about?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Are new entrants compensated in a different fashion for not having the allowance?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: They are not. In effect, they receive €4,000 less than someone who joined the Irish Prison Service ten years ago.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Fair enough. When I went through the material, it caught my eye that a nurse officer within the Irish Prison Service was getting 18 allowances and an assistant governor, 17. These numbers struck me as being quite big. Will Mr. Donnellan explain the reason for this?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Can I quickly go back to the issue of relativities? Other than the rent allowance - Mr. Donnellan has explained that it dates back to 1961 - have other allowances been borrowed from the Garda Síochána and adopted by the Irish Prison Service over time? Have other allowances that were standard within the Garda Síochána been incorporated into the Irish Prison Service?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: Mr. Donnellan mentioned the significant deal brokered in 2005. From his perspective, how have the changes that followed the agreement reached with regard to overtime and allowances worked out in the last seven years?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Justice and Equality - Review of Allowances (25 Oct 2012)

John Deasy: I would like to tease that out. What are the challenges to which Mr. Donnellan refers?

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