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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I do not mean to interrupt, but I have an eye on the clock. We have a picture of the situation at wastewater treatment plant level, but we do not have a picture of small private water supplies. Rather, we do not have anywhere near as clear a picture as we need. Another concern is septic tanks. I suppose I am referring to water in, water out. According to an EPA report from June 2022 on...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: So, they are for local authorities.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: So that I can compare like with like, how many of those were inspected? If there were 1,147 inspections in 2020, what percentage of the overall stock are we talking about?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Would it be fair to characterise it as extremely low?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Are we hitting 1% per year?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I know that. The house I grew up in was built in the 1970s before I was born and has a septic tank that is 50 years old. That is not atypical. Are we even hitting 1% per year for the number of septic tanks being tested?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Am I right in saying that, if someone wants to avail of a grant to upgrade his or her septic tank, it first has to fail an inspection?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: There is a specific scheme for domestic wastewater treatment systems in houses situated in high-status objective catchment areas. There is a large catchment area in Waterford that covers most of the Comeragh Mountains and another out in west Waterford. When I conducted a mail-out on this matter, no one in those areas was aware of the scheme, which I believe involves 80% grant funding. What...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: As I understand it, there is still money in the pot because it has not been drawn down.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: A massive part of Wicklow, much of Clare and large swathes of west Cork are in these catchment areas, and those are only the ones that come to mind from looking at the issue. There is no uptake.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I am reminded of the Clinton-era military policy of “Don’t ask, don’t tell”. The flip side of this coin is the issue of private wells. We are not testing them in any sort of meaningful way. I imagine that the percentage of private water solutions being tested in real time mirrors that of septic tanks being tested. We can focus on Uisce Éireann, and the EPA...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: These are two sides of the same coin. If we have bad septic tanks-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I want to make the specific request, coming back to my earlier contribution, that the committee be provided with a breakdown of social housing by energy efficiency, building energy rating, BER, so that it has a clear idea of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Insofar as it is available. We would also like to be able to quantify what level of information is not available so that we understand, God help us, the known knowns and the unknown knowns or whatever that phrase is.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Ideally by local authority area as well, if possible, so we know where we should be concentrating resources. Similarly, I would like information on the rate of testing of private septic tanks. We have a mixture of figures on that and I would like to know that by overall number per annum and by percentage. Could we have that by local authority area as well? I listened with interest to...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Is staffing the delay?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I am assuming that, considering the recent flooding events, this has become a priority.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: What is the timeline for the completion of that piece of work? Have those recruitment issues been solved? Are people in place? Is the work ongoing?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Will Mr. Doyle provide that to the committee because it is particularly pertinent at the minute?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: In terms of active travel spend, this gets channelled through the National Transport Authority, NTA, but a lot of it gets spent through our local authorities. I have a concern that a lot of money has been spent on the design stage and particularly the outsourcing of the design stage to consultancies. Does Mr. Doyle have an analysis of how much money is being spent on the design stage and...

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