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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: I thank the Minister for sitting there and being calm and collected through all of this, as he generally is. As he knows, the Group of States against Corruption, GRECO, was established in 1999 by the Council of Europe to monitor states' compliance with the organisation's anti-corruption standards. Its objective is to improve the capacity of members to fight corruption by monitoring their...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: We do not, quite frankly.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: The bottom line on it is-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: I remember working in London when I was about 15 and a half or 16 and talking to builders, and they used to always say to me that the worst foremen they ever had were those who came from their own class. Class distinction, diversity, all these things are a frame of mind. I am not for one minute condemning Senator Ruane for what she is trying to do here but we need to go much further back...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: -----or show it to us? I made the point today that when I was president of the Teachers' Union of Ireland, every now and then something came up that we could not release into the public domain, but we did release it to the executive members in order that they be informed when making a decision. I am asking for nothing else. The GRECO report will affect this legislation and what the...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: I have great difficulty proceeding with this debate without sight of the GRECO report. Will the Minister make the report available to us tomorrow morning before we proceed any further? If this Bill is passed, it will be enacted with the Minister's name on it. If the report has anything negative - the Minister admits he and the Cabinet have had sight of it-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: That is not the story we are being told. Is the Minister saying the report is not available to him today? If that is the point, then we should all step back from this and give ourselves time. We do not want to pass a Bill which may be damned once it is passed. Has the Minister seen the report? Is he prepared to make it available?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: I would be delighted if there was nothing in it.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: The Department of Transport-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: The Minister is the first person ever to tell me I would not be disappointed by a report he has not seen.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: That he would be disappointed.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: Clearly The Sunday Business Postsaw some part of this report. It was fairly damning in its view. Clearly, the Minister's Department would not have been happy that such a report would in any way criticise its legislation, or the Minister's legislation. The Minister says he has not seen the report, on which I take him at his word. My colleague, Senator Boyhan, has asked him whether his...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: With all due respect to the Cathaoirleach, I fully appreciate where he is coming from. The House divided today and indicated we should proceed with this Bill. I do not believe the House was as aware of the lack of information surrounding the GRECO report as it is now. I believe that if all Members of the House were sitting here right now and were asked about this, they would vote differently.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: With all due respect, the Minister will not be here while a vote is taken tomorrow on the Order of Business. He is the man on the ground with respect to the report. It behoves every Member here to establish exactly what is in this report before we allow-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: He has not seen it.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: In light of the debate that is taking place, I propose that this House should adjourn until tomorrow morning. This would give all Members an opportunity to inform themselves regarding what has happened here this evening before revisiting this matter on tomorrow's Order of Business. I do not see the point in progressing-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: I ask the Deputy Leader to do it. We have got to-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: No, no.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: This is the most serious matter. As my colleague, Senator Humphreys, said some time ago, we expected that the amendments proposed in this Bill had been introduced in light of the GRECO report. We have heard tonight that the Minister has not read the report.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2018)

Gerard Craughwell: Perhaps he did, but that is not the point. We are talking about passing legislation to appoint people to the courts of our land. This is the most important legislation. A dog's dinner has been made of it since the day it started. I believe it is wrong and disingenuous of us to go any further. I ask the Deputy Leader, who is in the Chamber, to adjourn the House until the Order of Business...

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