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Ceisteanna ó Cheannairí - Leaders' Questions (8 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I am well aware that this strategy has been in place for some years. What exactly will the Ministers for Health and Social Protection be looking at for the next three months? Is it the Attorney General's report? Is it the substance of the issue? Are they looking at identifying individuals who may have been impacted? Are they looking at the possibility of repayments? Exactly what is it?...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: My question concerns the long-stay charges and the issue that has arisen in the past couple of weeks concerning the legal strategy. Did the Department get any advance warning from the Minister that three months would be required to review this? Did the Department have any input into that? Was there an indication that it would take that length of time? How did that arise?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: So this is a political decision. Do we know if it will take three months?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: So I take it that it is a political decision rather than a-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. I will move on to the management of the clinical indemnity scheme. I got a reply to a parliamentary question in 2018 that informed me that funding is allocated to the Department on the basis of costs that will be incurred during the year and is not allocated for possible future funding liabilities. It stated that on that basis, materially contingent liabilities funding will only be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It did appear that was driven by the absence of the courts and the solicitors were actually the ones-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We did have that engagement with the State Claims Agency. What about damage limitation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We are seeing those cases settled. We are seeing them on the 6 p.m. news. They have obviously crystalised if they have been settled.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: How exactly do the cases get from the State Claims Agency settling it into the particular Department? The clinical indemnity scheme will involve the Department of Health, which will then engage with the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: How did I come to get a reply to a parliamentary question - the most recent one I have had on this is from May 2018 - which said, "There has been no crystallisation of a contingent liability for the Department in the last ten years"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It said, "There has been no crystallisation of a contingent liability for the Department in the last ten years".

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I am just reading the reply to a parliamentary question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I just do not-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Maybe I will ask-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I am sorry but I have very little time. I will ask the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is about the damage to people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I have very little time. I need to have a response.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Chair, can we manage the time a little bit here?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is just to have transparency and to have the early reporting. If issues of damage minimisation are flagged at an early stage, we might actually see a system in place. We could have the same problem arising in one particular location repeatedly. If we do not have that full overview, we are not getting to the origin of the problem. Is that happening?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It would have been self-evident there should have been a system for damage minimisation, without even the need for the legislation. Is this happening because there is an increase in the financial liability? Is that what has prompted this? What was the purpose of not having this in place all along?

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